Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:03:56AM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Saved to branden.asc and 'gpg -d branden.asc' results in gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used This concerns me a lot more than the joke itself or

Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 03:34:39AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used This concerns me a lot more than the joke itself or what led up to it. Does anyone else have this problem

Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-06 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2906T033439-0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:03:56AM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Saved to branden.asc and 'gpg -d branden.asc' results in gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been

OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-05 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:19:08AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 08:54:25AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Um, why send such a message to a widely-read mailing-list? As a joke... Im damned curious.. what did

Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-05 Thread Michael Beattie
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 10:03:56AM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: Saved to branden.asc and 'gpg -d branden.asc' results in gpg: CRC error; 72a653 - dc372a gpg: quoted printable character in armor - probably a buggy MTA has been used Well, I was able to repair and read it. Even if I

Re: OT Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-05 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Michael Beattie wrote: It was meant as a joke... so go ahead :) That's why I did not really complain about it ;-) Im not sure why he encrypted to you though. Yeah, I also thought that you should have received this ;-)) (because you asked for it, that is) Ulf

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-04 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 2903T152152-0500, Branden Robinson wrote: -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- ... -END PGP MESSAGE- gpg: encrypted with 1024-bit ELG-E key, ID 22CC9EBE, created 2000-08-17 Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: no secret key for decryption available gpg: decryption failed:

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 08:54:25AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Um, why send such a message to a widely-read mailing-list? As a joke... -- G. Branden Robinson | Psychology is really biology. Debian GNU/Linux| Biology is really chemistry.

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-04 Thread Michael Beattie
On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:19:08AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 08:54:25AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: Um, why send such a message to a widely-read mailing-list? As a joke... Im damned curious.. what did it say? -- Michael Beattie

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-03 Thread Michael Beattie
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:12:30PM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: P.S.: Please can you go without the PGP stuff for the mailing list? It seems to double the size of your messages. Thanks. I'd like to see Overfiends response to this. -- Michael Beattie

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-09-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 07:55:32PM +1200, Michael Beattie wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:12:30PM +0200, Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote: P.S.: Please can you go without the PGP stuff for the mailing list? It seems to double the size of your messages. Thanks. I'd like to see Overfiends

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-31 Thread Herbert Xu
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herbert == Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Herbert And this is Debian where we have a policy that says #!/bin/sh scripts Herbert need to be POSIX compliant. What policy says is: We were talking about echo -ne, not echo -n which ash

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Aug-2000 Miros/law `Jubal' Baran wrote: Isn't /bin/ash POSIX compliant? I run ash as my /bin/sh. As for its compliance, I am not certain and no one will claim it being fullly compliant. AFAIK ash is as complaint as bash (in

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Aug-2000 Miros/law `Jubal' Baran wrote: Isn't /bin/ash POSIX compliant? I run ash as my /bin/sh. As for its compliance, I am not certain and no one will claim it being fullly compliant. AFAIK ash is as

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:04AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: It parses command line -en different from bash. Different getopts ;-) How does it differ? AFAIK, ash's getopts is POSIX compliant. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! ( http://www.debian.org/ ) Email: Herbert Xu ~{PmVHI~} [EMAIL

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:04AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: It parses command line -en different from bash. Different getopts ;-) How does it differ? AFAIK, ash's getopts is POSIX compliant. Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:57:17AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I meant echo -ne. Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. -- Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 is out! (

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:57:17AM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Sorry, wrote my first message with too high blood level in the caffeine subsystem. I meant echo -ne. Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:31:15PM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the word POSIX anywhere. I just said that there are tons things that will break. And this is Debian where we

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:31:15PM +0100, Anton Ivanov wrote: Neither SuS nor POSIX specifies -e so ash is free to do whatever it chooses. If you noted I have not used the word POSIX anywhere. I just said that there are tons things that will break. And this is Debian

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Anton Ivanov wrote: If you are right at least apache scripts are not. I suggest you file a bug against it. If you know how to call apache scripts to demonstrate the error then please file the bug yourself. Check before, if you run an up-to-date apache. apache starts up correctly

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
Anton Ivanov wrote: If you are right at least apache scripts are not. I suggest you file a bug against it. If you know how to call apache scripts to demonstrate the error then please file the bug yourself. Check before, if you run an up-to-date apache. I do apache

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Anton Ivanov wrote: apache starts up correctly for me on every system boot, and I do have /bin/sh pointing to /bin/ash as well. My fault. It actually uses #!/bin/bash which it should not anyway Well, #!/bin/bash scripts are allowed to use bashisms :) Ulf

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Herbert == Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Herbert And this is Debian where we have a policy that says #!/bin/sh scripts Herbert need to be POSIX compliant. What policy says is: The standard shell interpreter ``/bin/sh'' can be a symbolic link to any POSIX compatible

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
You cannot use it as a default shell without auditing all scripts. I have used ash for over a year now as my /bin/sh.

Re: /bin/ksh as a default POSIX shell

2000-08-30 Thread Anton Ivanov
You cannot use it as a default shell without auditing all scripts. I have used ash for over a year now as my /bin/sh. OK, OK, OK, I surrender. I have to admit my experience was rather old and the quantity of bashisms have sharply decreased. So you can run another