Re: Close list

2000-12-30 Thread Michael Stone
This useless thread generated more traffic than I've seen in spam in the last couple of months. (And if you add the traffic from the last couple of times we had this *same discussion*...) I'd like to propose that we blacklist people who propose solutions to deal with non-existant spam problems

Re: Close list

2000-12-26 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hamish Moffatt) wrote on 25.12.00 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 08:43:51PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: I have a comment: NO WAY IN HELL. The day that we start rejecting DUL posts is the day that several people leave the project, me included. How many

Re: Close list

2000-12-26 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miles Bader) wrote on 24.12.00 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't deleted, but

Re: Close list

2000-12-26 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 11:36:00AM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote: Just tested that. ssh to master, telnet to localhost smtp, it was quite willing to relay mail with a non-local envelope. (And left enough clues in the header to track who did that just in case it ever becomes necessary.)

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Gil Bahat
Here is a (somewhat?) constructive idea regarding the spam. i would like to point everyone to sugarplum: (http://www.devin.com/sugarplum/) quote from README file: sugarplum is a spam-bot database poisoner utility. The specific usage of a spam poisoner is to provide a spammer's email spider with

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread eechi von akusyumi
Here is a (somewhat?) constructive idea regarding the spam. i would like to point everyone to sugarplum: (http://www.devin.com/sugarplum/) quote from README file: [snip]ac I'd suggest putting a lot of IFRAME tag which include the document generated by sugerplum which occuplies only a minimal

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 12:10:29PM +0200, Gil Bahat wrote: Here is a (somewhat?) constructive idea regarding the spam. i would like to point everyone to sugarplum: (http://www.devin.com/sugarplum/) quote from README file: Cool program! Might be a good way to discourage spammers from

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 08:43:51PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote: I have a comment: NO WAY IN HELL. The day that we start rejecting DUL posts is the day that several people leave the project, me included. How many ISPs these days route mail worth a damn? :-) Joseph you make it too easy. You

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:18:55AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't deleted, but rather just gets a header added saying `this message is

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:53:36PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: It has been said in a related thread on a mailing list that shall not be named :) that making a DNS lookup for hosts carrying the blacklists on each delivery would slow it down. It has also been said that this isn't hard to work

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:13:36PM +, Mark Brown wrote: Spam to the Debian mailing lists tends to be especially annoying since the spammers always seem to hit each and every mailing list (or at least, a large number of them), which makes each spam much more noticable. Oh yeah. If only

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Mark Brown
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:38:50PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: Oh yeah. If only there was some way of automatic killing of such spams, sent to more than X (say, 5) mailing lists... something that would remember the last X-1 mails from the same domain name (or whatever) and kill off the

Re: Close list

2000-12-24 Thread Carl B. Constantine
On 12/24/2000 13:13, Mark Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spam to the Debian mailing lists tends to be especially annoying since the spammers always seem to hit each and every mailing list (or at least, a large number of them), which makes each spam much more noticable. The GIMP-user and

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 07:52:21PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: No one should be allowed to post to ANY mail list that is NOT subscribed to that list! It's pretty common place on these lists, so I don't think we're about to stop it. Sorry. flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL,

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Carl B. Constantine
On 12/23/2000 15:10, Hamish Moffatt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war I think that would be a good compromise position. Any chance we can implement that at least? It would go a long way to accomplish both goals:

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Robert van der Meulen
Quoting Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war disallow spammers allow posts from outside those subscribed We already allow spammers: The Debian Linux mailing lists accept commercial advertising for

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Miles Bader
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't deleted, but rather just gets a header added saying `this message is considered suspicious'.

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:18:55AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war GNU mailing lists (supposedly) use RBL, but in a mode where `spam' isn't deleted, but rather just gets

Re: Close list

2000-12-23 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:02:34PM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: flame war Now maybe if we were using the RBL, DUL, and RSS lists... :-) /flame war I think that would be a good compromise position. Any chance we can implement that at least? It would go a long way to accomplish both

Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Carl B. Constantine
I'm getting tired of getting spam through mail lists I subscribe to that have an open post policy. Can we please close the debian-devel and other such lists that should be closed. I don't think trademark domains is doing anything for debian development. -- Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Joey Hess
Carl B. Constantine wrote: I'm getting tired of getting spam through mail lists I subscribe to that have an open post policy. Can we please close the debian-devel and other such lists that should be closed. I don't think trademark domains is doing anything for debian development. This is

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread David N. Welton
Carl B. Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm getting tired of getting spam through mail lists I subscribe to that have an open post policy. Can we please close the debian-devel and other such lists that should be closed. I don't think trademark domains is doing anything for debian

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Miles Bader
Carl B. Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm getting tired of getting spam through mail lists I subscribe to that have an open post policy. Can we please close the debian-devel and other such lists that should be closed. I don't think trademark domains is doing anything for debian

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Carl B. Constantine
On 12/22/2000 19:44, Miles Bader at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, lets not. Right now I'm subscribed to debian-devel, but often in the past I've read it occasionally in the archives, and sent mail as I thought appropriate. I know there are other people who do this. The fact is that the

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Miles Bader
Carl B. Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yo ppl, it's not hard to archive a closed list, most list software supports archive directly. Sheesh! You make it sound like it's the end of the world for crying out loud. Give me a break! I was complaining about not being able to post to the list

Re: Close list

2000-12-22 Thread Carl B. Constantine
This discussion is being taken off list to avoid yet another flame war (not my intention to start another flamewar). -- Carl B. Constantine ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Phone: 250.953.2650 Open Source Solutions Inc. Fax: 250.953.2659 4252 Commerce Circle,