On 29/02/08 at 23:29 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:55:49AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Note that the whole did last year projects were successful? issue is
secondary. Even if all of last years projects produced fabulous results
that totally changed the way
Lucas wrote:
On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
Yes, subjective to the point of absurdity. If failure is defined in terms
of *your* expectations, I don't see how we can even have a meaningful
dialogue about it.
Note that my main point in the thread is we should use GSOC to
* Lucas Nussbaum:
I have had a problem with the way GSOC was handled in Debian in the past
years.
Me too, but I've seen exactly the opposite: someone was funded who
wasn't really active in the area of the project where he worked on, and
didn't use existing interfaces etc. to implement his
On 29/02/08 at 19:55 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Lucas wrote:
On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
Yes, subjective to the point of absurdity. If failure is defined in terms
of *your* expectations, I don't see how we can even have a meaningful
dialogue about it.
Note
On 2/29/08, Lucas Nussbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you have any proof that GSOC students worked 35-40 hours a week on
their GSOC projects? You probably don't. So again, no real data to back
either claim. We have different opinions, and have to live with it.
I don't think there's anything
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:55:49AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Note that the whole did last year projects were successful? issue is
secondary. Even if all of last years projects produced fabulous results
that totally changed the way Debian is developed, I'm still not sure if
we should use
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 01:53:17PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum
wrote:
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for
FD/DAM to apply as students.
What if we do this, and still do not get many new people
applying? How about a
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:17:56AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I really can't figure out what you're saying, here. AFAICS, we had
significantly *better* results when choosing GSoC projects submitted by
existing Debian contributors. Where are these failures you're talking
about?
My
On 28/02/08 at 01:09 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 09:17:56AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I really can't figure out what you're saying, here. AFAICS, we had
significantly *better* results when choosing GSoC projects submitted by
existing Debian contributors.
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Nice claims. Pointers?
I agree that this is mainly based on personal perception (but that's
not really my fault: no final report about what students did (in
detail) are available).
OK. So you lack info, thus assume people failed. Nice. Steve already
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
2) | * Inspire young developers to begin participating in open
| source development;
3) | * Help open source projects identify and bring in new
| developers and committers;
5) | * Give students more exposure to real-world software
|
On 28/02/08 at 11:36 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
2) | * Inspire young developers to begin participating in open
| source development;
3) | * Help open source projects identify and bring in new
| developers and committers;
5) | * Give
On 28/02/08 at 10:54 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
BTW, it might be relevant to check GSOC's FAQ to see what it is about.
,
| Google Summer of Code has several goals:
|
| * Get more open source code created and released for the benefit of
| all;
| * Inspire young developers to begin
On 28/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Who said I didn't? But maybe it was in private IRC
discussions/mails. And maybe I didn't talk to all of them about that
neither, so I'm biaised.
Because you said that your previous claims were based on your personal
impressions rather than anything else?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I have had a problem with the way GSOC was handled in Debian in the past
years.
Many of the students that were selected were already well-known Debian
contributors or developers. The first problem with that is that some of
As
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
apply as students.
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
would be for this point.
Seconded. :)
Greetings
Winnie
Cheers.
--
.''`. Patrick Winnertz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: :' :
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:55:23AM +0100, Patrick Winnertz wrote:
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
apply as students.
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
would be for this point.
I'm not completely persuaded this is
Hey,
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
apply as students.
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my
vote would be for this point.
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my vote
would be for this point.
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
the
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum
wrote:
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for
FD/DAM to apply as students.
What if we do this, and still do not get many new people
applying? How about a policy of prioritising
non-DD/NM/DM/whatever contributions, rather
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lucas Nussbaum
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
and March
Hi Patrick,
* Patrick Winnertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-27 12:14]:
(1) Forbid DDs and people in the NM process waiting for FD/DAM to
apply as students.
I'm not sure we will be able to reach a consensus on this, but my
vote would be for this point.
I'm not completely
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 09:42:17AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
and March 12th. If
On 27/02/08 at 16:33 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
If some projects in the past were a failure, it is solely the problem
of the management (=student's mentor:), it doesn't matter if the
student was or wasn't a DD. If the student is working on something
else (doesn't matter it is also related to
On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
the choosen project instead of wasting time in other tasks
Because all DDs are human, tend to have
On 27/02/08 at 14:04 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
I partly agree here. For instance it might be hard to find out a
reasonable task that fits the skills and interests of the student
out of the pure description if he is not involved in Debian before.
Then fix the task or its description? I'm
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Lucas Nussbaum
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 27/02/08 at 16:33 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
If some projects in the past were a failure, it is solely the problem
of the management (=student's mentor:), it doesn't matter if the
student was or wasn't a DD. If
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 18:52, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
However, we cannot blame the managers/mentors here: it's difficult
enough to manage people working remotely, possibly in a different
timezone, and for free (students are paid for their time, not their
mentors).
This is also a matter
* Lucas Nussbaum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [080227 08:41]:
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
and March 12th. If we're accepted
I would regard
GSoC as a reasonable means to stress the tasks we would really
like to have done and encourage people to tackle them.
I consider that the main goal of GSOC is a social one: let new people
learn about free software projects. If we start to depend on Google
funding our
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 06:52:56PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing contributor does not concentrate his/her efforts on
the choosen project instead of
Er, by what metric have these students failed their projects?
The summer has finished, and it's about time I summarised how we got
on. We had 9 Summer of Code students working for us, and we had a 100%
success rate this year. Woo! Last year we only managed 6 successful
projects out
On 27/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Many of the students that were selected were already well-known
Debian contributors or developers. The first problem with that is
that some of those students used their GSOC time to work on their
usual Debian tasks instead of their GSOC project, leading to
On 27/02/08 at 18:51 +0100, Ondrej Certik wrote:
Absolutely, I agree it is not black and white. But this is the
responsibility of the mentor. He needs to be the one, who makes this
decision and he needs to stand behind this decision.
I don't know if that's allowed by GSOC, but taking the final
On 27/02/08 at 11:26 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 06:52:56PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 27/02/08 at 11:33 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote:
I'm not completely persuaded this is correct. Someone should explain
why an existing contributor does not concentrate
On 27/02/08 at 22:00 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
On 27/02/2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Many of the students that were selected were already well-known
Debian contributors or developers. The first problem with that is
that some of those students used their GSOC time to work on their
usual
On 27/02/08 at 00:42 +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Hey folks,
Google are running their Summer of Code programme again this year[1],
and if we want to take part again we need to apply between March 3rd
and March 12th. If we're accepted as a mentoring organisation, then
students will be able
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