Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-06 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sun, 4 May 2014, Timo Weingärtner wrote: The installer already asks whether to enable non-free repositories. Perhaps This could get a loud warning, yes. the warning could be more verbose differentiating between open-source-but-non- free (GFDL etc.) and closed-source. There is no

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Solal
Le 04/05/2014 23:15, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 01:59:09PM +0200, Solal wrote: I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters Who's 'we'? We in the official list of Debian developers means... The Debian developers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
…and firmware. +1 -- Salvo Tomaselli Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di senso, ragione ed intelletto intendesse che noi ne facessimo a meno. -- Galileo Galilei http://ltworf.github.io/ltworf/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Solal
No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. Le 05/05/2014 17:28, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit : …and firmware. +1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
In data lunedì 5 maggio 2014 17:30:01, Solal ha scritto: No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. So don't install it and don't tell me what should I think. Cheers -- Salvo Tomaselli Io non mi sento obbligato a credere che lo stesso Dio che ci ha dotato di senso, ragione ed

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)
On 05/05/2014 05:30 PM, Solal wrote: No +1 because proprietary firmware is unethical too. hmm, have you read the post you are replying to and what the +1 was referring to? and please do stop top-posting... fgmards IOhannes PS: am i just feeding the troll? signature.asc Description:

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Jakub Wilk
* IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) umlae...@debian.org, 2014-05-05, 18:58: PS: am i just feeding the troll? Yes. -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Philip Hands
IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU) umlae...@debian.org writes: ... and please do stop top-posting... s/top-// pgpuflwoBqD8u.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Solal dijo [Mon, May 05, 2014 at 04:14:54PM +0200]: I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters Who's 'we'? We in the official list of Debian developers means... The Debian developers. So... Who are you? We¹ would like to know. ¹ We in the context of a mail with no

Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Solal
I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters, and we should warn proprietary software users about proprietary software unethicality (this does not mean that we will not help users proprietary software but just that we warn of dangers. howewer, we will not help proprietary software

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 04/05/2014 13:59, Solal wrote: I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters, and we should warn proprietary software users about proprietary software unethicality (this does not mean that we will not help users proprietary software but just that we warn of dangers. howewer, we

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Solal
[GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help from developers, etc. But they are warned. Le 04/05/2014 14:20, Jean-Christophe Dubacq a écrit : On 04/05/2014

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Timo Weingärtner
Hi, 2014-05-04 14:24:16 Solal: [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help from developers, etc. But they are warned. The installer already asks whether to

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 04/05/2014 14:24, Solal wrote: [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help from developers, etc. But they are warned. Le 04/05/2014 14:20,

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Solal
I speak about Point 1 : We will help creaters and users of both free and non-free software. Help creaters of non-free software is unethical. Don't support non-free software creaters and don't help them is freedom protective. Proprietary software is unethical and I see no reason to help unethical

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Wookey
+++ Solal [2014-05-04 17:11 +0200]: Proprietary software is unethical and I see no reason to help unethical things. So why are you apparently posting from a Mac? Hard to get much more unethical (in legal business) than Apple, IMHO. I do hope you didn't give them any money. (and you are

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Philipp Kern
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 02:55:21PM +0200, Timo Weingärtner wrote: 2014-05-04 14:24:16 Solal: [GR2004-2] have nothing to do with it. My proprosition is just warn about proprietary software dangers, but users would still install non-free software from repositories, get help from developers,

Re: Point 1 of Social Contract

2014-05-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 01:59:09PM +0200, Solal wrote: I think we shouldn't support proprietary software creaters Who's 'we'? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: