Late, by hey, what the hell...
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Joey In other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we
Joey need an alternative. I have never seen a religious war over
Joey man. :-)
Tom Christiansen has been known to get into them. But then
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:04:50AM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OpenBSD took another tack on this problem and just did away with
cached man pages altogether. (no suid or sgid man)
They always re-format a manual page? This might be reasonable, actually.
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 01:09:17AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
There could be a helper setuid program, man-cache-writer. man would call
this program and pipe it the catpage. man-cache-writer would just write it's
stding to the proper place. End of the problems.
No so simple. You don't
There could be a helper setuid program, man-cache-writer. man would call
this program and pipe it the catpage. man-cache-writer would just write it's
stding to the proper place. End of the problems.
No so simple. You don't want the trusted program trusting the output of
a non-trusted
On 04-Jan-01, 12:32 (CST), Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
And, anyway, caching might be done in a cronjob: look at the pagesa in
manpath every night, check which ones have been accessed since the past
run, and format those. Then delete anything older than N days
Hi
Joey Hess schrieb:
And, anyway, caching might be done in a cronjob: look at the pagesa in
This seems to be cr^Hontrary to the idea of caching.
That's a good idea. Another route to take is to split man into the
rendering/caching bit and the command line man page lookup/processing/pager
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:23:03PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
[snip examples]
This is because man runs via a wrapper that makes it run as user man
(and makes root's pager run as user man too for some reason).
Related
Ethan Benson wrote:
the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
under /var then there already is (ahem texmf). i am not certain if
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Ethan Benson wrote:
the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
under
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead
of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the
packages.
We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
thinks it's worth the effort to
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:00:19AM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote:
Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On the other hand, we might want to copy the OpenBSD version instead
of maintaining our own man. But I leave that to whoever maintains the
packages.
We have alternatives on almost
Ethan Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:53:37PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
I'll bet (have not verified) that you can already trick it into writing
bogus file by sticking trojan pages elsewhere in your manpath.
i just tried it, did not end up with a cached file.
[EMAIL
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
They always re-format a manual page? This might be reasonable, actually.
Groff is pretty fast, and most manual pages are short, so it shouldn't
take too long even on older hardware.
I think it would take a while on my 386 for things like the zshall man page.
(Several
Peter Makholm wrote:
We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
thinks it's worth the effort to make alternatives for these they
should do it. If there is a general agreement that the alternatives is
better than the original packages we just switch prioryties.
Is
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
JHPeter Makholm wrote:
JH We have alternatives on almost everything but dpkg and man. If someone
JH thinks it's worth the effort to make alternatives for these they
JH should do it. If there is a general agreement that the alternatives is
JH better than the
John Galt wrote:
JHIn other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we need an
JHalternative. I have never seen a religious war over man. :-)
Never heard RMS on info pages?
That's a file format religious war, not a man program religious war.
--
see shy jo
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Joey Hess wrote:
JHJohn Galt wrote:
JH JHIn other words, if you can have a religious war over it, we need an
JH JHalternative. I have never seen a religious war over man. :-)
JH
JH Never heard RMS on info pages?
JH
JHThat's a file format religious war, not a man program
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:35:56AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Is that even necessary? I mean, alternatives makes sense for programs
like MTAs and editors, which have a diverse range of interface,
functionality, and use. Man formats a page and displays it in $PAGER;
I'd always thought the
Joey Hess wrote:
I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~chmod 700 .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~cp /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~man -l ./ls.1.gz
man: can't chdir to /home/joey: Permission denied
man: ./ls.1.gz: Permission
the problem with this is you end up with the catman files owned by
whatever user reads whatever man page. personally as a sysadmin i
don't want users gaining write permission to files in any more places
under /var then there already is (ahem texmf). i am not certain if
there is potential
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 07:14:13PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
Here's one more real fun one. This only works if you are root and /root
is mode 700 and $TMP is set to /root/tmp/:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~man man
man: can't create a temporary filename: Permission denied
So incredibly broken..
I'm concerned with some breakage in the man program. Here is an example:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~chmod 700 .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~cp /usr/share/man/man1/ls.1.gz .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~man -l ./ls.1.gz
man: can't chdir to /home/joey: Permission denied
man: ./ls.1.gz: Permission denied
Another example
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