]]
| Well just like many of the comments to 348864, I just hate the
| teasers in section 1 that only root can run.
Whether a tool is root-only or not is orthogonal to whether it's in bin
or sbin.
(ifconfig is useful for non-root users, but is in sbin. chown is
effectively root-only, but is in
* Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de [2010-02-26 11:19]:
KVM is shaping up well and appears to be very well supported by Red Hat.
But still slower and less secure due to qemu.
Can you back that statement with numbers? My subjective impression is
that kvm with libvirt is not slower than
On 27.02.2010 11:56, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
]]
| Well just like many of the comments to 348864, I just hate the
| teasers in section 1 that only root can run.
Whether a tool is root-only or not is orthogonal to whether it's in bin
or sbin.
(ifconfig is useful for non-root users, but is in
On 2010-02-27, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote:
[...]ifconfig is useful for non-root users, but is in sbin.[...]
And I find that fact mildly annoying considering that it is thus
not in the default PATH. But at least a user is able to put sbin
into his environment despite of this (which
]] Patrick Matthäi
Please respect my Mail-Followup-To.
| On 27.02.2010 11:56, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| ]]
|
| | Well just like many of the comments to 348864, I just hate the
| | teasers in section 1 that only root can run.
|
| Whether a tool is root-only or not is orthogonal to whether
Hi,
On Samstag, 27. Februar 2010, Philipp Kern wrote:
[...]ifconfig is useful for non-root users, but is in sbin.[...]
And I find that fact mildly annoying considering that it is thus
not in the default PATH.
I finally managed to teach my fingers to type ip a instead...
cheers,
Hi,
It seems the best (only?) way to override LDFLAGS with debhelper 7 is
a LDFLAGS export at the top of debian/rules file.
However, there's some packages using another method:
override_dh_auto_configure:
dh_auto_configure -- LDFLAGS=$(LDFLAGS) -Wl,--as-needed
NOTE: this method doesn't work
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
When 100 nodes all want to talk to the one bootserver then that one poor
port will be overflown. With switches you won't have collisions like in
the old days when they would combine exponentially but you still get
slowdowns.
Add more switches. Add more network
I would like to request a rebuild of one of my package on armel. It built
fine for last-5 to last-2 but both last-1 and last failed due to timeouts --
I think ot simply tried to build on a smaller machine.
As I can never remember what the porter / admin group emails are -- where do
I want to
Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de [2010-02-26 11:19]:
KVM is shaping up well and appears to be very well supported by Red Hat.
But still slower and less secure due to qemu.
Can you back that statement with numbers? My subjective impression is
that kvm with
Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Feb 26, Luca Capello l...@pca.it wrote:
5) Do we recommend that new installations of lenny or of squeeze avoid
Xen for ease of upgrading to squeeze+1? If so, what should they use?
It depends. KVM in lenny is buggy and lacks important features. While it
works fine for
Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
As I can never remember what the porter / admin group emails are -- where do
I want to send this? debian-arm is the catch-all list and that is not what I
want, methinks.
You want ar...@buildd.debian.org I think
Colin
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Hi,
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 04:55:27PM +0100, Fathi Boudra wrote:
However, there's some packages using another method:
override_dh_auto_configure:
dh_auto_configure -- LDFLAGS=$(LDFLAGS) -Wl,--as-needed
NOTE: this method doesn't work !
That depends on the autoconf version. Earlier
I would like to request a rebuild of one of my package on armel. It built
fine for last-5 to last-2 but both last-1 and last failed due to timeouts --
I think ot simply tried to build on a smaller machine.
As I can never remember what the porter / admin group emails are -- where do
I want
* Simon Richter s...@debian.org, 2010-02-27, 17:12:
However, there's some packages using another method:
override_dh_auto_configure:
dh_auto_configure -- LDFLAGS=$(LDFLAGS) -Wl,--as-needed
NOTE: this method doesn't work !
That depends on the autoconf version. Earlier versions require an
On 27 February 2010 at 16:17, Colin Tuckley wrote:
| Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
|
| As I can never remember what the porter / admin group emails are -- where do
| I want to send this? debian-arm is the catch-all list and that is not what I
| want, methinks.
|
| You want ar...@buildd.debian.org
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:35:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
On 26 February 2010 09:53, John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote:
According to http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization :
Qemu and KVM - Mostly used on Desktops/Laptops
VirtualBox - Mostly used on Desktops/Laptops
Xen
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 01:23:07AM +0300, William Pitcock wrote:
I am looking into packaging xenner already as a backup plan if I cannot
manage to fix some major reentrancy problems in the Xen dom0 code
(Xensource 2.6.18 patches, the pvops stuff has it's own share of problems
and needs more
* John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org [2010-02-27 17:09]:
How does libvirt impact performance?
Guess I cunfused libvirt with virtio.
Regards, Martin
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On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Xen - Provides para-virtualization and full-virtualization. Mostly used
on servers. Will be abandoned after squeeze.
I think that the problem here is that Xen isn't mainstream in the
kernel. It takes a long time for a
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:35:36AM +, Mark Brown wrote:
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
According to the wiki the plan is to have pv-ops merge into vanilla with
2.6.34.
I just took a quick look at linux-next (which *should* have everything
for
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:06:57AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
Marco d'Itri, le Fri 26 Feb 2010 02:38:33 +0100, a écrit :
On Feb 25, John Goerzen jgoer...@complete.org wrote:
3a) What about Linux virtualization on servers that lack hardware
virtualization support, which Xen supports but
Hello,
after some time spent to reflect and discuss, I think we reached a
point of no return regarding waf package in Debian. I try to summarize
what happened in the past months.
Devid and I originally decided to include waf as a regular package in
Debian because several projects use it as their
Hi,
currently policy §12.1 mandates that “each program, utility, and
function should have an associated manual page”. However, the more I
stomp on bug reports about manual pages, the less I am convinced of
their usefulness for GUI programs.
GUI applications usually take only a few simple
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
GUI applications usually take only a few simple command-line options,
and more importantly, when you use a modern development framework, these
options will always be documented correctly with the --help switch.
Manual pages, OTOH, are not maintained
Keep in mind that the apropos command only searches man pages, so I strongly
support keeping them around and creating them (even if only from --help)
when
they're missing.
2010/2/27 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
Hi,
currently policy §12.1 mandates that “each program, utility, and
function
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:06:37PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Therefore I propose that we drop the requirement of a manual page if
these conditions are met:
* the program requires graphical interaction with the user, and is
not meant to be used from a script;
* the
Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 19:49 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
Additionally, in some cases, the --help output is not sufficient to
explain what a program does. gcc-4.4 --help does not list all the
options; one has to use gcc-4.4 -v --help. Also, using only the
latter, please tell me
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:03:04PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 19:49 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
Additionally, in some cases, the --help output is not sufficient to
explain what a program does. gcc-4.4 --help does not list all the
options; one has to
I think it is a good idea to have a centralized system where one can find
information about a particular program. Otherwise we take the risk of having a
sparse information system. If help2man helps to create the man page from the
program help, which is the burden then?
---
Department of
Hi,
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Fathi Boudra wrote:
it isn't clear on the wiki page: the working group will use Meego
infrastructure based on OBS to do a deb/apt based Meego instance, right?
Yes. We want to stay close the Meego infrastructure so that it's easy to
make a meego system using debian
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 11:14 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
GUI applications usually take only a few simple command-line options,
and more importantly, when you use a modern development framework, these
options will always be documented correctly with
]] Faidon Liambotis
| Beyond that, I've also seen filesystem corruption when using live
| migration and the filesystem cache hasn't been disabled -- an almost
| undocumented directive of libvirt's XML.
|
| All in all, I'm wondering how people can call this stable.
I would guess at most people
[2010-02-27 20:06] Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
I think it is a waste of time to write manual pages that won't be
maintained upstream, and that won't contain more useful information than
--help. The purpose of a manual page is to document precisely the
behavior of a program, and for GUI
Adding debian-devel and debian-mentors.
As per Paul Wise' advice I'd like to request for help with the
crda/wireless-regdb package for Debian for the next release of Debian.
I am the upstream crda maintainer and John Linville is the upstream
wireless-regdb maintainer. Kel Modderman has already
markus schnalke wrote:
[2010-02-27 20:06] Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org
I think it is a waste of time to write manual pages that won't be
maintained upstream, and that won't contain more useful information than
--help. The purpose of a manual page is to document precisely the
behavior of a
I was told there is time to get this into squeeze. It has been
extensively debugged and tested on 64bit and 32bit platforms, and on
every architecture that Debian supports.
If someone could take this over, I'd be grateful; I'd like to see this
excellent language offered on every platform that
Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
As per Paul Wise' advice I'd like to request for help with the
crda/wireless-regdb package for Debian for the next release of Debian.
I am the upstream crda maintainer and John Linville is the upstream
wireless-regdb maintainer. Kel Modderman has already done most work
- Josip Rodin j...@entuzijast.net wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 01:23:07AM +0300, William Pitcock wrote:
I am looking into packaging xenner already as a backup plan if I
cannot
manage to fix some major reentrancy problems in the Xen dom0 code
(Xensource 2.6.18 patches, the pvops
Josselin Mouette wrote the following on 27.02.2010 21:03
-- snip --
Indeed it is not sufficient for gcc-4.4. But I still think it is
sufficient for gcalctool.
I have just downloaded the lenny gcalctool_5.22.3-2_i386.deb.
Where in /usr/share/gnome/help/gcalctool do you read about the file
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 13:50 -0800, Ted Walther wrote:
[...]
I was told there is time to get this into squeeze. It has been
extensively debugged and tested on 64bit and 32bit platforms, and on
every architecture that Debian supports.
[...]
That would be a big change from your earlier uploads,
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 01:03:46AM +0300, William Pitcock wrote:
There are also no pvops dom0 kernel packages shipped by Debian yet, at
least through official channels.
While you are correct that pvops is the future, right now it's no better
reliability-wise then the 2.6.18 xensource
Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:29 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
lakeview ok % gcalctool --help
Usage:
gcalctool - Perform mathematical calculations
Tell me what user files gcalctool may access, using only this
information. Also tell me, using *only the information provided*, how
to
Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 20:14 +, Fuentes, Adolfo a écrit :
I think it is a good idea to have a centralized system where one can
find information about a particular program. Otherwise we take the
risk of having a sparse information system. If help2man helps to
create the man page from
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
The current situation is that there are a lot of outdated and/or
inaccurate manpages, while the --help output contains the same amount of
information and is guaranteed to be up-to-date.
If the manpage doesn't contain any more information than the
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Steffen Moeller steffen_moel...@gmx.de
* Package name: noko-fsoraw
* URL :
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/noko/index.php?title=Fsoraw
* License : GPL-3+
Description : FSO resource allocation wrapper
fsoraw (FSO
Le samedi 27 février 2010 à 15:30 -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
If the manpage doesn't contain any more information than the help
output, then it probably should be replaced with help2man so that it
stays up to date.
The crux of your argument is that for many GUI programs, manpages
aren't
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Francesco P. Lovergine fran...@debian.org
* Package name: geographiclib
Version : 1.1
Upstream Author : Charles Karney et al.
* URL : http://geographiclib.sourceforge.net/
* License : LGPL
Programming Lang: C++
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Yes, I overall agree with your arguments. However having it in the
policy means we get bug reports about manual pages and have to deal with
them, while they are not the primary source of documentation for
command-line options.
In my opinion, we’d be
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
However having it in the policy means we get bug reports about
manual pages and have to deal with them, while they are not the
primary source of documentation for command-line options.
I'd hope you'd still get bug reports even if it wasn't in
Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org writes:
after some time spent to reflect and discuss, I think we reached a
point of no return regarding waf package in Debian. I try to summarize
what happened in the past months.
Thanks very much for responsibly working to make this package behave
well
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.ath.cx writes:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:06:37PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Therefore I propose that we drop the requirement of a manual page if
these conditions are met:
* the program requires graphical interaction with the user, and
2010/2/27 Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org:
Hi,
currently policy §12.1 mandates that “each program, utility, and
function should have an associated manual page”. However, the more I
stomp on bug reports about manual pages, the less I am convinced of
their usefulness for GUI programs.
GUI
Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org writes:
Yes, I overall agree with your arguments. However having it in the
policy means we get bug reports about manual pages and have to deal
with them, while they are not the primary source of documentation for
command-line options.
If manpages were useful
On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 23:59 +0200, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
I'm a member of pkg-wpa-devel and I've been sponsoring Kel for almost 4
years. I have absolute trust in him and I've even offered to advocate
him to the NM process multiple times.
I'd definitely agree with your assessment here and
]] Josselin Mouette
| In my opinion, we’d be better off with no manual page than with one
| that is not maintained correctly. However the current policy
| encourages shipping a buggy manual page over not shipping it at all.
Would a reasonable compromise be to ship a man page that says something
, linker and binary utilities (source)
binutils-spu - The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities targeted for
spu-e
Changes:
binutils (2.20.51.20100227-1) experimental; urgency=low
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* Snapshot, taken from the trunk 20100227.
* debian/*.shlibs: Update to the version from the trunk
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