Hello,
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 19:59:50 +0200
Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
what is the reason that many applications clutter the terminal with
output that is obvisously debug output?
It's debug output, it is useful when debugging and you
Package: wnpp
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Owner: James Goppert james.gopp...@gmail.com
* Package name: open-dis
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* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/open-dis/
* License : BSD, see license for
Hello,
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
[...]
debug output should certainly not be output by default in released
versions without a command-line or configuration option turning it on.
l for one don't want ls doing something like this:
ls: starting up
ls: checking for bad filesystems
ls:
Hello,
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net writes:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:09:42AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
It's debug output, it is useful when debugging and you need the output,
e.g. when fixing bugs and the user can just be asked to run the command
from the terminal and
Stanislav Maslovski stanislav.maslov...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:22:27PM +0200, Sebastian Dröge wrote:
Backporting the lcdfilter patch to 1.8.10 might be a solution for
squeeze though. If someone wants to provide a patch that doesn't add any
new public API I'd be fine with
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:51:21 +0200
Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
It's debug output, it is useful when debugging and you need the
output, e.g. when fixing bugs and the user can just be asked to run
the command from the terminal and post the output to help in
debugging the bug
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:44:59 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
wrote:
It's not clutter. If you don't want to see it, run the command and
redirect stderr.
debug output should certainly not be output by default in
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:57:56 +0200
Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
[...]
debug output should certainly not be output by default in released
versions without a command-line or configuration option turning it
on.
l for one don't want ls doing
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 02:23:32 +
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:09:42AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
It's debug output, it is useful when debugging and you need the
output, e.g. when fixing bugs and the user can just be asked to run
the
* Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org [100815 10:55]:
When bugs are hard to reproduce, having debug output on by default is
extremely important for many mature packages.
Which does not change the fact that a graphical program which outputs
stuff to the terminal is very annoying and looks very
Am Samstag, 14. August 2010, 19:59:50 schrieb Michael Welle:
Hello,
what is the reason that many applications clutter the terminal with
output that is obvisously debug output? Lets take digikam as an
example:
In the specific case of Digikam and other KDE applications, you can run
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 01:01:34PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:58:07 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes:
As suggested by Ian on -devel (see attachment), it would be nice to have
a way to remove files during unpack of a source
Hi,
On Sonntag, 15. August 2010, brian m. carlson wrote:
The Unix tradition is for programs to run silently unless there's a
problem. [...]
I have no problem with programs taking an environment variable or a
command line option in order to produce debugging output, but it
shouldn't be the
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:02:15AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:44:59 +0800
Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org
wrote:
It's not clutter. If you don't want to see it, run the command and
redirect
Hello,
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:51:21 +0200
Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
It's debug output, it is useful when debugging and you need the
output, e.g. when fixing bugs and the user can just be asked to run
the command from the terminal
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 02:23:32 +
brian m. carlson sand...@crustytoothpaste.net wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:09:42AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
Redirect stderr when opening the file or work out why okular was
selected in the first place.
Hello,
Neil Williams codeh...@debian.org writes:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:57:56 +0200
Michael Welle mwe012...@gmx.net wrote:
[...]
My feeling is that many developers
^^
don't care because most users might not be aware of what is happening.
That is a very cavalier attitude to how
Hello,
Josef Spillner 2...@kuarepoti-dju.net writes:
Am Samstag, 14. August 2010, 19:59:50 schrieb Michael Welle:
Hello,
what is the reason that many applications clutter the terminal with
output that is obvisously debug output? Lets take digikam as an
example:
In the specific case of
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 16:18 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
It's actually a bug that /etc/environment is no longer created by default;
Tested a bit more and it seems to be created,... but only when
installing the first time (i.e. when package was not installed before).
Reinstalling doesn't create it
]] Josef Spillner
| When KDE applications are run in a KDE environment, the debug output is
| normally not an issue because even terminal-using people prefer KRunner's
| autocompletion over bash's and hence don't see the debug messages. However,
it
| is certainly an upstream goal to make KDE
(cross post to merge the two independent threads
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/08/msg00338.html
http://lists.debian.org/deity/2010/08/msg00097.html
and to ensure everyone has the same information.
In case you want to discuss the topic feel free to do it at deity@)
We started this
Hi.
I'd like the idea... it would make home-dir creation here at the faculty
a lot more easier.
On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 11:08 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
The location could for example be /etc/skel.d/
I'd however suggest e.g. /etc/adduser.d or so... or at least not skel.d
Conceptually the
Hi folks,
I'm still looking for a replacement maintainer for gutenprint.
Someone who actually uses it regularly and has a printer which
they can use for testing who can do a proper job of maintaining
it.
I lack the time and a supported printer, so I can't test it.
I've uploaded the latest stable
Hi
When I go through RC bugs I see more and more bugs which are both found
and fixed with the same version.
This does NOT work: these bugs are treated as if they are not fixed at all.
Please do not version bug closures when there were no changes to the
source package to get the bug fixed!
Note
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 04:25:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
When I go through RC bugs I see more and more bugs which are both found
and fixed with the same version.
This does NOT work: these bugs are treated as if they are not fixed at all.
Why not change the way they are treated? You can
On 08/15/2010 04:41 PM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 04:25:19PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
When I go through RC bugs I see more and more bugs which are both found
and fixed with the same version.
This does NOT work: these bugs are treated as if they are not fixed at all.
Why
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:05:17AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
Users may but developers will be looking for that debug output and
starting the program from the command line explicitly to be able to
collect it. (Filing a bug will usually result in the user being asked
to start the program from
Am Sonntag, 15. August 2010, 14:19:05 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
I would guess they still fill up the .xsession-errors file, though? At
least for me, that file is mostly useless due to:
« ...Too much output, ignoring rest... »
as the last line.
Yes they would, because the applications
On su, 2010-08-15 at 14:19 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
I would guess they still fill up the .xsession-errors file, though? At
least for me, that file is mostly useless due to:
« ...Too much output, ignoring rest... »
as the last line.
It's pretty clear to me that both .xsession-errors
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:08:57 -0700
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:05:17AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
Users may but developers will be looking for that debug output and
starting the program from the command line explicitly to be able to
collect it.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 04:57:40PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
Why not change the way they are treated? You can easily use the date a
message is sent to bugs.debian.org to see if it comes before or after other
messages closing/opening the bug tagged with the same version.
Because it is sane
On 08/15/2010 06:17 PM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 04:57:40PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
It's very strange that you think it's ok to mark a bug as fixed in a
specific version even if there was nothing changed in the package to get
the bug fixed IMHO.
Well, if, like in your
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* Package name: algotutor
Version : 0.8.6
Upstream Author : Chao-Kuei HUNG ckh...@ofset.org
* URL : http://people.ofset.org/~ckhung/p/algotutor/
* License : GPL-3
Programming Lang:
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes:
gets rather large), it generates huge .xsession-errors files that can
cause problems for people with low quotas or for people who actually
Indeed. I often find the SD card of my PDA (openmoko) filled with
a useless .xsession-errors.
--
To
Package: wnpp
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Owner: Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
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Version : 2.1.dfsg.1
Upstream Author : Jerome PANSANEL j.pansa...@pansanel.net
* URL : http://sourceforge.net/projects/chem-file/
* License :
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* Package name: pymecavideo
Version : 5.0
Upstream Authors : Jean-Baptiste Butet jean-baptiste.bu...@ac-lyon.fr,
Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* URL :
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:32:41AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
Also, the change of environment is not to make usable a program that would not
be, but simply to make it the default choice or not, under its original
upstream name, the one that our users expect, read in the documentation, hear
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Severity: wishlist
Owner: Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
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Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* URL :
http://outilsphysiques.tuxfamily.org/pmwiki.php/Oppl/Pysatellites
* License
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 01:59:30PM +0200, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 16:18 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
It's actually a bug that /etc/environment is no longer created by default;
Tested a bit more and it seems to be created,... but only when
installing the first
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* Package name: pyacidobasic
Version : 0.1
Upstream Author : Georges Khaznadar georg...@ofset.org
* URL :
http://outilsphysiques.tuxfamily.org/pmwiki.php/Oppl/Pyacidobasic
* License
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:31:31PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
Let's keep the APT2 name instead of the UPS name. The UPS name is a good
joke, but it's not good for a real program name, because:
* UPS = Uninterruptible Power Supply
* UPS = United Parcel Service
* Ups =
On 15/08/10 at 11:28 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:31:31PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
Let's keep the APT2 name instead of the UPS name. The UPS name is a good
joke, but it's not good for a real program name, because:
* UPS = Uninterruptible Power
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010, Guus Sliepen wrote:
I think that if people are actively opening and closing bugs (in
that order) with the same Version tag, they expect the bug to be
closed. I also do not think that there is any danger in having it
marked as closed, it can always be reopened later.
The
On So, 2010-08-15 at 11:28 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:31:31PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
Let's keep the APT2 name instead of the UPS name. The UPS name is a good
joke, but it's not good for a real program name, because:
* UPS = Uninterruptible
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 08:27:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Since this is open for discussion, some comments about my take
on some of the discussed points:
ftp-team is concerned about doing license checks across the entire git
archive Colin points out that we're in the same situation with
Roger Leigh rle...@codelibre.net writes:
I can see that this could be a legitmate cause for concern, especially
since the history is essentially immutable and if tainted will remain
so unless it's deliberately excised and the history is altered.
However, is this a problem in reality, or just
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:15:35 -0600 Bruce Sass bms...@shaw.ca wrote:
/sbin and /usr/sbin, /lib and /usr/lib directories?
AFAICT, the reason is so that a minimal but functional system is
guaranteed to exist so long as a local HDD with a root filesystem
is available (which doesn't necessarily
Quoting Michael Welle (mwe012...@gmx.net):
Hello,
what is the reason that many applications clutter the terminal with
output that is obvisously debug output? Lets take digikam as an
example:
(I read most other comments in this thread before writing this)
I have to concur to everything
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 06:30:04PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
By the early 1990s this was long since unneeded but people continued
to do it anyway, and in fact started to think it was done for
technical reasons rather than because of a simple lack of space in an
earlier era. At this point
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:00:23 -0700 Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
wrote:
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 06:30:04PM -0400, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
By the early 1990s this was long since unneeded but people
continued to do it anyway, and in fact started to think it was
done for technical reasons
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:34:56 -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote:
Here's mine, started yesterday morningand I barely did nothing
since then as I'm more travelling around Vermont that playing with my
KDE apps:
bubu...@mykerinos:~/travail/debian/translation/po-debconf/gitolite ls -l
gregor herrmann gre...@debian.org writes:
Among the contents are e.g. ~20.000 lines saying:
(firefox-bin:28026): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
I tracked this down at one point and decided that this was the fault of
Adobe's Flash player rather than anything the Mozilla folks
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