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Hi,
some time ago I started to collect hints for upstream developers on a wiki
page:
http://wiki.debian.org/Java/UpstreamHints
The page is intended for the audience of upstream developers who care that
their software be included in a distribution and would be willing to do their
part to make
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 09:39:46AM +0100, Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
some time ago I started to collect hints for upstream developers on a wiki
page:
http://wiki.debian.org/Java/UpstreamHints
I am Lars Wirzenius and I approve of this page.
However, http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamGuide is an
On 02.02.2012 02:21 Russell Coker wrote:
Are there many users who need root containment but who won't have the
resources to run Xen or KVM when the support for Squeeze ends?
I am convinced there are several hosting providers and NGOs who use
linux-vservers for (amongst other) the purpose of
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: medhamsh m...@medhamsh.org
* Package name: rudecgi
Version : 5.0.0
Upstream Author : Matthew Flood m...@rudeserver.com
* URL : http://www.rudeserver.com/cgiparser/index.html
* License : (GPL)
Programming Lang: (C++)
Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of
other packages, with simple relations: , =, =, = and . For
instance:
Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus
Depends: iceweasel (= 3.6.13) | iceape (= 2.1) | …
While this is sufficient for most cases, it does not cover one
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 09:39:46AM +0100, Thomas Koch wrote:
some time ago I started to collect hints for upstream developers on a wiki
page:
http://wiki.debian.org/Java/UpstreamHints
This is helpful. However, I do not see a point in advertising Git in
this specific content. It is not
Hi!
Am 02.02.2012 10:54, schrieb Tanguy Ortolo:
Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of
other packages, with simple relations: , =, =, = and . For
instance:
Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus
Depends: iceweasel (= 3.6.13) | iceape (= 2.1) | …
While this is
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 02.02.2012 10:54, schrieb Tanguy Ortolo:
Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of
other packages, with simple relations: , =, =, = and . For
instance:
Package:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 11:33:01AM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
Hi!
Am 02.02.2012 10:54, schrieb Tanguy Ortolo:
Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of
other packages, with simple
Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org (02/02/2012):
As discussed on irc, if you instead do iceweasel-api-3.6, iceweasel-api-4.0,
etc. you end up having crazy dependencies like:
Depends: iceweasel-api-3.6 | iceweasel-api-4.0 | iceweasel-api-5.0 |
iceweasel-api-6.0 | ... | iceweasel-api-11.0 |
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Gonéri Le Bouder gon...@rulezlan.org
* Package name: libfusioninventory-agent-task-deploy-perl
Version : 1.0.9901
Upstream Author : Gonéri Le Bouder gon...@rulezlan.org
* URL : http://www.fusioninventory.org/
* License
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:10:17PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org (02/02/2012):
As discussed on irc, if you instead do iceweasel-api-3.6, iceweasel-api-4.0,
etc. you end up having crazy dependencies like:
Depends: iceweasel-api-3.6 | iceweasel-api-4.0 |
Hi,
I'm planning to file bugs against all packages that currently fail the
piuparts test with a 'deluser/delgroup: command not found' error in
wheezy and sid.
Currently 17 binary packages from 15 source packages are affected.
Most of these errors happen during the 'postrm purge' phase because
Crossposting to php-internals too since those are the guys who receive
the bugreports...
Debian unstable packages has recently disabled suhosin patch by
default (it is still kept as optional part which could be enabled at
compile time).
I am trying to summarize the reasons why I have decided to
On 02/02/12 14:31, Stefan Esser wrote:
considering the fact that you write this email the very same day that a
remote code execution vulnerability in PHP is found that is easy to exploit
from remote and is greatly mitigated by the use of Suhosin you look pretty
stupid. (In case of usage of
Hello Ondřej,
My personal feeling is that most people see suhosin as this is about
security, thus it must be good. This combined with bad PHP security
history makes everybody feel insecure when suhosin was removed, but
the real question is if the suhosin is still really helping with PHP
Hi Stefan,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Stefan Esser ste...@nopiracy.de wrote:
Hello Ondřej,
My personal feeling is that most people see suhosin as this is about
security, thus it must be good. This combined with bad PHP security
history makes everybody feel insecure when suhosin was
Hello Pierre,
About the current flaw affecting 5.3/4, PHP and suhosin had bugs, and
will have bugs. This is not really hot news. That does not affect this
discussion.
I know that for many years you have not understood the idea behind Suhosin, the
concept of exploit mitigations.
The only
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 02:14 +, Wookey a écrit :
It wasn't at all obvious that the actual reason was a conspiracy to
remove mime file support from evince. Now that I know about it, I'm
not very impressed. Andreas has already expressed this annoyance so I
won't say it again.
Being
* Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez clo...@igalia.com [2012-02-02 14:46]:
On 02/02/12 14:31, Stefan Esser wrote:
considering the fact that you write this email the very same day that a
remote code execution vulnerability in PHP is found that is easy to
exploit from remote and is greatly
On Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012, Nico Golde wrote:
http://thexploit.com/sec/critical-php-remote-vulnerability-introduced-in-fi
x-for-php-hashtable-collision-dos/
Oh my... :(
sigh.
thanks Stefan, thanks Nico.
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On 12-02-02 at 03:32pm, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 02:14 +, Wookey a écrit :
It wasn't at all obvious that the actual reason was a conspiracy to
remove mime file support from evince. Now that I know about it, I'm
not very impressed. Andreas has already
Ohh btw…
I have walked the bug list for 5.3 mentioning suhosin[2] to actually
at least partially support what I have just said. I have found few
bugs where suhosin was causing a problems ([3],[4]) and a handful of
bugs with have suhosin, cannot help. I know this isn't (and can't
be) a
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 15:51 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
The issue here (or at least at the dawn of this thread) is that some
package maintainers have chosen to break something that used to work.
Claiming that the mime-support system actually works is stretching
reality as much as a
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 03:14:56PM +0100, Stefan Esser wrote:
BTW: You should really really look into the history of PHP security and check
for each of the last 8 years how many features were in Suhosin and later
merged into PHP because of some nasty security problem.
You will see that at
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:23:01PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Claiming that the mime-support system actually works is stretching
reality as much as a bone who just met Chuck Norris’ fist.
I fail to see a reason to fall back to polemics.
The policy
might claim it is the recommended way,
* Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org [120202 16:23]:
[the usual insults removed] The policy
might claim it is the recommended way, but only a handful of programs,
such as mutt and lynx, actually make use of this information.
Or programs like see or everything using it that wants to savely run
a
Andreas Beckmann writes (mass bug filing of 'deluser/delgroup: command not
found' errors detected by piuparts):
Most of these errors happen during the 'postrm purge' phase because
non-essential programs are called by the maintainer script without
checking their existance.
We had a
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:43 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
The policy
might claim it is the recommended way, but only a handful of programs,
such as mutt and lynx, actually make use of this information.
Any reason you are leaving out those two programs (see, mc) which were
hi Stefan,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Stefan Esser ste...@nopiracy.de wrote:
Hello Pierre,
About the current flaw affecting 5.3/4, PHP and suhosin had bugs, and
will have bugs. This is not really hot news. That does not affect this
discussion.
I know that for many years you have not
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:29 +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote:
[...]
We tried the 2.6.32 VZ kernel on squeeze / wheezy / lucid / precise -
and it works.
That's what I would expect, but it's good to know.
We have a PPA[1] for our experimental packages too. We
might run into bugs
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi Stefan,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Stefan Esser ste...@nopiracy.de wrote:
Hello Pierre,
About the current flaw affecting 5.3/4, PHP and suhosin had bugs, and
will have bugs. This is not really hot news.
Bernd Zeimetz be...@bzed.de writes:
On 01/31/2012 10:37 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
[...]
If anyone wishes to volunteer to maintain VServer in Debian - you are
very welcome, but please start by addressing the bugs filed against
them in squeeze and reviewing the existing conflicts. If you can
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented
solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)):
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 15:51 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
The issue here (or at least at the dawn of this thread) is that some
[resent with 7-bit headers. apologies for any mangled names:]
Pierre Joye writes (Re: [PHP-DEV] Suhosin patch disabled by default in Debian
php5 builds):
[...] But so far I failed to see other features in Suhosin that we
need to implement without having more cons than pros.
I know nearly
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to
some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously
working machinery, and demand that bug submitters write the
compatibility code.
The
Hi,
I'd be happy to help, if you don't find any better suited candidate
(if you have volunteers who are more expert than me, by all means go
for them!!) I definitely have made it to plenty of debconfs, and sure
hope to continue the trend.
Thanks,
Guido
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We had a conversation (here I think) last year about whether programs
should be trying to automatically remove users in their postrm. IIRC
the conclusion of that discussion the answer was that they should not,
at least in the default case.
We should double check this, before you submit your
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 05:09:42PM +, PICCA Frédéric-Emmanuel wrote:
We had a conversation (here I think) last year about whether programs
should be trying to automatically remove users in their postrm. IIRC
the conclusion of that discussion the answer was that they should not,
at
OoO En cette nuit striée d'éclairs du jeudi 02 février 2012, vers 02:21,
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au disait :
However, a low profile container/virtualization solution is needed, and I
know there is quite some demand for it: both some larger scale
organisations and several
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:52:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
However, to prove your point you need to mention counter examples which
are actually failing to use mime-support or are actually broken because
of using mime-support.
Are you trying to troll, or do you actually not know
Hi!
I know that for many years you have not understood the idea behind
Suhosin, the concept of exploit mitigations.
I think we have a difference of approaches here, and it is well known.
There's more or less a consensus among PHP dev that to introduce a
feature, especially with high user
Josselin Mouette writes (Re: Breaking programs because a not yet implemented
solution exists in theory (Was: Bug#658139: evince: missing mime entry)):
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to
some
On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:08:33 +0100, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote:
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to
some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously
working
Stefan Esser wrote:
And there are many many good reasons, why Suhosin must be external to PHP.
The most obvious one is that the code is clearly separated, so that not
someone of the hundred PHP commiters accidently breaks a safe guard.
That's not a justification to keep it as a patch.
Safe
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:08:33PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 16:12 +, Ian Jackson a écrit :
The correct approach it is not to unilaterally decide to do switch to
some other half-implemented system, remove support for the previously
working machinery, and
On 02.02.2012 20:11, brian m. carlson wrote:
The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working,
...
As a package maintainer, you're going to have to support some things you
don't like. If you hate natural alignment and think sparc is awful, you
Show us where
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org:
reassign 658139 general
Bug #658139 [evince] evince: missing mime entry
Bug reassigned from package 'evince' to 'general'.
tags 658139 - patch
Bug #658139 [general] evince: missing mime entry
Removed tag(s) patch.
retitle 658139 generate mailcap
On 02/03/2012 01:59 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
You seem to advocate the approach in which
performance and convenience can and should be sacrificed to security.
It is a matter of opinion
Something I don't get here. If there's this issue, and
different tastes, why can't a build flag be used, so
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes:
Show us where mime-support is a required part in policy and then we can
talk again.
Policy 9.7 currently says that it's a bug to not support mime-support:
Packages which provide the ability to view/show/play, compose, edit or
print MIME types
On 02.02.2012 21:58, Russ Allbery wrote:
Anyway, I think this discussion is painful and not likely to change
anyone's mind, whereas the necessary glue between desktop files and
mime-support looks like a couple of days of work. I'm currently playing
with the idea of writing a spec and posting
Hi Russ,
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:58:03PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org writes:
Show us where mime-support is a required part in policy and then we can
talk again.
Policy 9.7 currently says that it's a bug to not support mime-support:
Many thanks for
On 02/02/12 14:43, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote:
On 02/02/12 14:31, Stefan Esser wrote:
considering the fact that you write this email the very same day that a
remote code execution vulnerability in PHP is found that is easy to exploit
from remote and is greatly mitigated by the use of
unsubscribe
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk wrote:
Debian 7.0 'wheezy' will include Linux 3.2. This is currently in
unstable and will soon enter testing.
The kernel team is open to backporting some features from later kernel
versions, particularly to
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org
* Package name: miniupnpd
Version : 1.6.20120121
Upstream Author : Thomas Bernard miniu...@free.fr
* URL : http://miniupnp.free.fr/
* License : BSD
Programming Lang: C
Description :
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 18:59 +0100, Andreas Tille a écrit :
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 04:52:22PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
However, to prove your point you need to mention counter examples which
are actually failing to use mime-support or are actually broken because
of using
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Pierre Joye writes:
[...] But so far I failed to see other features in Suhosin that we need
to implement without having more cons than pros.
I know nearly nothing about PHP security and nothing about Suhosin.
But from what I have read in
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 19:11 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working,
fully-implemented solution.
This is a blatant lack of knowledge of the current state of the
distribution.
If you feel that it is obsolescent or
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
For example, Debian could immediately become a much more secure OS by
enabling SELinux in enforcing mode on all Debian systems. The reason why
we don't do this is that currently that tradeoff doesn't make sense; too
much other stuff
Russell Coker russ...@coker.com.au writes:
SE Linux is supported in critical packages including the kernel,
sysvinit, and cron. So any user who wants to use it can just install
the SE Linux specific packages and rely on the built-in support for SE
Linux in important base packages.
This
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 12:18 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
The current approach of having a kernel patch package seems to work well.
Phew... well there are many people running at stable... and for
them it does not... as the package seems more or less orphaned.
Also,.. configuring something
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:55:59AM +0100, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 12:18 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
The current approach of having a kernel patch package seems to work well.
Phew... well there are many people running at stable... and for
them it does not...
Hey.
First, thanks Ondřej, for bringing this to a wider audience :)
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 13:55 +0100, Ondřej Surý wrote:
1. Suhosin patch has an impact on the speed and memory usage. This has
been documented and even author admits it [1].
2. It doesn't help our users when reporting bugs
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
last week.
Total number of orphaned packages: 395 (new: 1)
Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 150 (new: 0)
Total number of packages
On Fri, 2012-02-03 at 00:34 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
There is an easy way to benefit from it.
Well still the user wouldn't know how to configure it...
Actually I must admit that I haven't followed PaX/grsec now for some
time (mainly due to the deb package being always out of date in sid).
Hello Lists:
May I add that there are also packages waiting for a sponsor for uploading ?
Cheers,
Jerome
On 03/02/12 01:26, w...@debian.org wrote:
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested
through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Christoph Anton Mitterer cales...@scientia.net wrote:
Wasn't it once the case with PaX that packages have to be compiled
specially? Or some ELF headers added or so?
Some shared libraries have code which can't be run without an executable
stack, it's a small number of
Hi,
I'm currently maintaining alone the following source packages:
libnatpmp, minissdpd, miniupnpc and miniupnpd
For that last one, I've just sent an ITP, since it finally becomes
possible to build it in Debian (and the packaging is already done,
sitting in my public_git on Alioth). MiniUPnPd is
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Yao Wei (魏銘廷) m...@lxde.org
* Package name: gcin
Version : 2.7.1
Upstream Author : Edward Der-Hua Liu c...@csie.nctu.edu.tw
* URL : http://hyperrate.com/dir.php?eid=67
* License : LGPL2
Programming Lang: C
Description
Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Packages can currenctly declared dependencies on specific versions of
other packages, with simple relations: , =, =, = and . For
instance:
Package: xul-ext-adblock-plus
Depends: iceweasel (= 3.6.13) | iceape (= 2.1) | …
While this is sufficient for most cases,
On 02/03/2012 01:28 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
But this wouldn't solve our discussion here... the question would
still be open, whether Debian sets this flag or not, or whether it
makes two binary packages.
Now that's something I didn't read from Ondřej's mail, but delivering
the
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:27:40AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le jeudi 02 février 2012 à 19:11 +, brian m. carlson a écrit :
The mime-support solution is part of Policy. It is a perfectly working,
fully-implemented solution.
This is a blatant lack of knowledge of the current
Lars Wirzenius wrote:
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 05:09:42PM +, PICCA Frédéric-Emmanuel wrote:
In that case you got his kind of piuparts error [1], if you did not
remove the homedir of the previously added user.
What is the right fice for this ?
The proper way to fix this is to change
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