Re: Spliting packages between pkg and pkg-data

2005-11-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2005-11-21 at 16:26 +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: foo depends on foo-data. But foo-data does NOT depend on foo. So an apt-get install foo-data, while being useless, is consistent for dpkg. After that you would end up with a menu entry for foo but no foo binary. If package

Re: Stephen Frost MIA?

2005-11-30 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, November 30, 2005 18:34, Nico Golde wrote: [...] Please consider reading this: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html #s-mia-qa You mean where it says It is also allowed to post a query to debian-devel@lists.debian.org, asking if anyone is aware of

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, December 9, 2005 20:02, Erinn Clark wrote: Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done is not something people want to encourage in NMs... right? Wouldn't Debian want to find people who can think of new and inventive ways to achieve goals rather than resorting to

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 02:40 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not really convinced that such an approach would have a significant effect as long as you're not measuring existing DD's to the same standards. Which, as far as I can see, does

Re: Packages-arch-specific (was: Sparc build failure analysis)

2005-12-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 08:52 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: So I followed the instructions at the top of that file and requested a P-a-s entry, after asking people here what to do. No response. Hm. I wasn't sure what to make of that -- maybe this request is too trivial to bother with, it's fine

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, December 14, 2005 09:42, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: So, who knows. Not that xvidcap is critical for me, but it is somewhat annoying to have it sitting there for no (declared) reason. While I generally agree with the other posters that NEW queue handling is going very well, I

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 13:35 +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 12/14/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Likewise for mozilla-firefox-adblock (2 months), new version of tidy (1 month), xplc (1 month), cvsconnect (1 month), cvssuck (1 month), libmpd (1 month); if there's

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 14:27 +0100, Amaya wrote: Every ITP opens a bug, every upload stalled in NEW should close it. No need to extend anything, the BTS is where these comments belong, IMHO. Packages can end up in NEW for other reasons, but for the cases that are currently the hot topic, that

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2005-12-21 at 17:08 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: At the very minimum, I believe all base packages (those installed by debootstrap by default) should have co-maintainers. This sounds like a good compromise between the two sides of this discussion. Thijs signature.asc

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2005-12-22 at 08:38 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: On the other hand, I think there might be some benefit to requiring that the Maintainer field must always denote one single Debian developer, who would be the buck stops here guy for that package. Not an applicant, not a mailing list,

Re: switching to vim-tiny for standard vi?

2005-12-25 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, December 23, 2005 04:13, Eric Dorland wrote: Another good reason for doing this is that for basically every Linux user I've encountered, vi == vim. When I tell non-Debian users that Debian ships with something called nvi instead of vim by default, they shake their heads and disbelief

Re: not getting CCs from the bugs I reported

2005-12-29 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 23:49 -0600, Adam Heath wrote: You'll only get mails if the sender sends to ###-submitter. Mail sent to just ### is not forwarded, and only stored. This is not a bug in the software, but in the person sending the mail. I'd consider this a bug in the software, the

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, January 6, 2006 17:03, Olaf van der Spek wrote: Hi Bernd, Could you please respond to this issue? Hello Olaf, Could you please stop this? You've been asking about this for many times now and appearently with no result, so it should occur to you that this stragegy does not work. If

Re: net-tools maintenance status

2006-01-06 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, January 6, 2006 18:25, Olaf van der Spek wrote: If you look at Bernd's packages overview (http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ecki) you can see that many of Which column shows that? It isn't one specific column, but from the overview and with some clicking around I can make the

Packet radio and foul language

2006-01-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 09:02 +0100, Stephan Hermann wrote: - Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. This sentence surprised me in quite some ways: - besides: besides what? Do not swear, and apart from that, some people

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 14:23, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Random ideas for negative consequences might include forced orphaning by overriding maintainer fields to debian-qa, removal of Maybe this should not only be limited to packages with RC bugs... For a lot of packages with inactive

Re: Development standards for unstable

2006-01-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, January 12, 2006 16:02, Frank Küster wrote: But if a rather new package in active development has many non-RC bugs, some of them crippling upstream features, and one of them New version N.m.o available (retitled three times meanwhile), then our users are probably better served by

Re: Does it sometimes happen that people send mails before NMU ?

2006-01-16 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 09:41 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: Yes, it's my fault i didn't tag the bug or sent any feedback, but I'm actually trying to find a better solution than removing the files, with upstream cooperation, considering that upstream adds new testcases quite often, and that any

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-18 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 10:01 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: * Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-17 11:36]: Kennedy wasn't a citizen of Berlin, either, not literally. The world understood what he meant, though, when he said (somewhat awkwardly) that he was. Again my question: Do

Re: For those who care about the GR

2006-01-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, January 21, 2006 21:52, Manoj Srivastava wrote: So, can the developers dispute this? Obviously, the developer body can dispute any delegated action. But a GR can't overturn something seen as fact (so no GR stating PI=exacly 3.14 or 22/7). Could you please explain how you arrive at the

Re: For those who care about the GR

2006-01-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 10:57 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If you do not see closed source software as incontrovertibly non-free, I have no desire to discuss this issue with you. You are exaggerating my point into ridicule. Under some (extreme) viewpoints, there are no facts (you, sir,

Re: returning emeritus developer, no response from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2006-01-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 10:22 -0500, Joe Smith wrote: Adeodato Simó [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Can we please fast-track this clairvoyant NM? Umm... I belive that is the policy. He needs to have his email read, and then answer a few questions. The process

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 18:40 +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: If we are to start doing checks on packages before accepting uploads, I think it would be best to start with some subset of lintian and linda errors. Since these tools can already differentiate between errors and warnings, it would make

Re: Problems found by piuparts

2006-02-28 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 19:18 +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote: Note that individual maintainers can already configure dput to stop the upload on lintian/linda errors. Yes, but the point raised was whether it would be better to centralise that. There are a lot of opportunities to run lintian but

Re: question for all candidates

2006-03-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
[Ways to improve keyring maintenance] On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 23:25 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: The second was to get rt setup to, uh, track requests -- it's waiting on the first thing (since rt sends auto-replies, and auto-replies to spam is bad, mmmkay), and possibly also lacks a debian.org

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 13, 2006 01:39, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 06:53:08PM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: It looks approximately as though nothing has been examined since a month ago. Perhaps the ftpmasters are busy with the mirror split? I don't think it's useful to

Re: NEW queue backing up again -- ftpmasters, any explanation or comment?

2006-03-13 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 13, 2006 11:20, Lars Wirzenius wrote: ma, 2006-03-13 kello 08:57 +0100, Thijs Kinkhorst kirjoitti: I don't think it's useful to second-guess what they're doing, so my question to Nathanael: when did you post this question to them directly and what was their answer

Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
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Re: Do not make gratuitous source uploads just to provoke the buildds!

2005-03-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 14, 2005 15:09, Goswin von Brederlow said: People should stop repeating the fiction then that just wait means your package will eventually get built. It usualy is. It might not be. And it can be an awfully long wait. The last one is the problem. The first two not. This could

Re: Bug#364609: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

2006-04-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, April 24, 2006 15:39, Manoj Srivastava wrote: new upload _now_. I feel uncomfortable acceding to practices I consider unethical, and I lack the motivation to fight the ftp masters and the project on this issue. You use the term unethical to describe a difference in opinion about a

Re: Bug#364609: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

2006-04-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, April 24, 2006 23:51, Manoj Srivastava wrote: uttered the following: Rubbish. If you think those are noght struggles, you are naive. You are very silly, really, thinking this. Please grow up. Your lack of imagination Don't you have anything better to do topics you seem to

Re: gnokii: unmaintained

2006-05-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Roberto, On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 22:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems the gnokii package is unmaintained and its maintainer doesn't do anything. Should the package be orphaned so other interested developers can take it? The package is currently up for adoption by the current

Re: Bug#366780: ITP: summain -- compute and verify file checksums

2006-05-11 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Lars, On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 03:35 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote: A checksum is a number that identifies the contents of a file: if the contents change, so does the checksum. If you create a checksum before you burn a CD, when you know the files are correct, you can easily check the CD

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-17 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 11:01 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Could someone please explain to me why paragraph 2(f) does not pose a problem? I couldn't find ANY discussion about the license on Debian legal which surprises me a little bit, but then maybe I just missed the relevant parts of the

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-18 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-05-18 at 16:02 +0200, Olaf van der Spek wrote: On 5/18/06, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 18 May 2006 09:28, Josselin Mouette wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 10:21:27PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: As far as I can tell the packages were accepted from NEW in a

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, May 21, 2006 21:18, Josselin Mouette wrote: PS: Yeah I'm a bit pissed of that we only have people criticizing when we do great things. What great things? Taking irresponsible decisions that expose the whole project to legal actions from Sun? I don't feel like thanking anyone for

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 08:01 +0200, Juergen A. Erhard wrote: Wow, thanks for telling us. I thought the Debian developers elected a DPL every year. Of course, since I'm not one, I got that wrong./sarcasm You seem to be thinking that a democracy equals that everyone has a say in every decision.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-05-21 at 22:56 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 21 mai 2006 à 22:38 +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst a écrit : Given this legal background of yours, could you please help by using that to improve the licence, instead of just complaining about how others handled it? Please give

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 10:50 +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Again this logic doesn't seem to work for me. If I was offering warez on my server I couldn't become legal again by just removing it. My prior action would still get me sued, doesn't it? And no, just saying I thought it was okay, doesn't

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-06 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Mike, On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 07:41 -0700, Mike Bird wrote: Reading a proposed contract or license in any way other than literally and pedantically is dumb. Some actions are so dumb that no nicer adjective is correct. Judges are like compilers. Modulo judge bugs (which can usually be

Re: Hidden files

2006-06-06 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 18:54 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: It is always bad practice to hide things from the user or system administrator, particularly outside their $HOME. Indeed, I'd call that ``the principle of least surprise''. Thijs signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: some Debian Apache Maintainer here ?

2006-06-18 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-06-18 at 07:51 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Useful patches and comments are always welcome. Threats of NMUs and similar aren't. NMU's are not personal attacks but they are people helping you to improve the quality of packages in Debian. I hope you don't feel threatened by people

Re: cgiirc Hijacking

2006-06-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:18 -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: Who told you that the sarge fix would propagate? Packages don't *propagate* from stable. If you want a package that was uploaded to stable to go to unstable, an upload is needed. You should have asked for a sponsor. Well, at

Re: make -j in Debian packages

2006-06-25 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 16:56 +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: DoS against the buildd? There is none. But you may consider it as an attack against the infrastructure. You on the other hand, might consider that developers might not have the malicious intent you infer, but perhaps just made an honest

Re: new tar behavior and --wildcards

2006-06-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 10:02 +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Le lun 26 juin 2006 21:53, Petr Vandrovec a écrit : Maybe it could be default for tar's POSIX mode, but I have no idea why GNU mode behavior should be changed in any way. I second that. it's now completely unpossible to do basic

Re: new tar behavior and --wildcards

2006-06-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 13:00 +0100, Neil Williams wrote: It's not so much packages already in the archive, it's every package that is being prepared to be uploaded. Lintian *always* fails for all packages that I build on a system with the updated tar. None of those packages failed prior to

Re: new tar behavior and --wildcards

2006-06-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 15:31 +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: It is also bound to break numerous private scripts on peoples systems. And for no good reason, the default has been like this for years now, why change that? For the POSIX-pedantic people there is always the POSIX mode. In that case just

Re: greylisting on debian.org?

2006-07-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 16:14 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: A far more reasonable solution is to only greylist mail with an unreasonably high spamassassin score. Normal mail I assume generally doesn't score high and is not susceptable to greylisting. Sure. Or greylist only when it's from a

Re: ITP: gzrt -- gzip recovery toolkit

2006-07-16 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 13:14 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 19:35 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please install cpio 2.5 or higher to facilitate recovery from damaged gzipped tarballs. I will drop the version from the description and add cpio to the suggests. I added the

Re: Challenge: Binary free uploading

2006-07-16 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, 2006-07-16 at 14:24 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: While it's easy to conceive such certificates, and easy to add such functionality to the checker programmes, it seems impossible to make it such that they cannot be faked. I don't like the certificate idea for two reasons. First, if

Re: how to deal with packages depending on mysql-server

2006-07-25 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 10:12 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: I recently stumbled upon a bug (#379561) in wordpress. Wordpress depends on a mysql-server installed in order to run, but the Debian package wordpress does not. I filled a bugreport and the answer was that some users might want to

Re: Bug#380328: ITP: pdfcrack -- PDF files password cracker

2006-07-29 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 13:16 +0200, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: What could be the best section for this package? 'admin' like john (pdfcrack has got a similar behaviour) or 'utils'? john is in admin because it's intended to be run by the administrator to check if any of the users have a

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 15:31 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Could you give me some insights, please, into how snapshot.d.n is useful? Don't get me wrong, I also find it useful, but mostly from the administrator perspective, I've not really used it as a developer. I'm using it when porting

Re: Successful and unsuccessful Debian development tools

2006-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 20:57 +0100, martin f krafft wrote: I'm using it when porting security fixes to sarge. If the maintainer has fixed a security bug in sid, I download that version and the version before and can see right away what exactly he changed to fix the bug. This shouldn't need

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 16:47 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I do use darcs to track patches against upstream. I really don't understand the whole cdbs/dpatch/whatever thing -- why use a hack to manage your patches when you could use a real VC tool that does it better? A patch system can be very

Re: Urgency bug, or am I missing something?

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 12:29 -0600, Wesley J. Landaker wrote: And the Urgency field matches Debian policy 5.6.17, where it explicitly states: It consists of a single keyword usually taking one of the values low, medium or high (not case-sensitive) followed by an optional commentary

Re: Centralized darcs

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Ok, third time. Please do not do that: To: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Then SET YOUR HEADERS to reflect that, like everyone else does. So you're shouting to people to use non-standard and not

Re: Code of Conduct on the Debian mailinglists

2006-08-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 20:30 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:20:26AM +0200, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 15:34 -0500, John Goerzen wrote: Ok, third time. Please do not do that: To: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-devel

Re: Pan in Sid

2006-08-08 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
with. The maintainer or the release team can decide on the basis of bug reports that a specific version is not suitable for our next release and will not be shipped. But it starts with filing those reports. http://bugs.debian.org contains instructions on filing them. Good luck! Thijs Kinkhorst signature.asc

Re: glibc and UNACCEPTs

2006-08-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2006-08-10 at 01:15 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 04:59:13PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Well, if you hadn't been awake, the maintainers would have had to upload a package with an ugly version number (or even an epoch), which would not be the end of the

Re: Bug Squashing Party: Priority queue?

2006-08-11 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Rudi, On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 15:35 +0200, Rudi Effe wrote: I just found an invitation for a debian-edu bug squashing party at central Germany [1]. As this is quite a distance from where I live, I probably won't make it myself - but will try to join the team via IRC (#debian-edu). Now

Re: Does Debian need a press office?

2005-07-07 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, July 7, 2005 12:46, Andreas Barth wrote: * Kevin Mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050707 12:33]: With the recent article from Zdnet, does Debian need a press officer or www.debian.org/press? If harm is done to the reputation to the Debian organization by word or deed, should there be someone

Re: interacting with the press

2005-07-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, July 13, 2005 04:04, Nigel Jones wrote: Or, should you find the demands on your time too pressing, why not use this opportunity to step-aside as the Debian press contact. Love the pun, but IMHO he does a good job. I do not - while I don't want to judge Joey's skills, for me it's a

Re: interacting with the press

2005-07-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, July 14, 2005 17:20, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: On Wed, July 13, 2005 04:04, Nigel Jones wrote: but IMHO he does a good job. I do not - of couse I meant I do not agree... :-) Thijs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: skills of developers

2005-07-15 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, July 15, 2005 02:36, Laszlo Boszormenyi wrote: Debian _Developer_. You can translate documents, submit then against the package as patch for example. You can even join to the translation teams. You claim that if someone spends just as much time translating Debian as someone else does

Re: Usability: Technical details in package descriptions?

2005-07-21 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 13:45 +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: Hence the language in which a program is implemented is somewhat relevant, at least to me. The conclusion is clear: the programming language is relevant to some users, but not to others (who are presumed to be large in quantity). So

Re: fresh blood gets congested: long way to become DD

2005-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, August 2, 2005 10:28, Andreas Barth wrote: And, BTW, is it not our problem to have too few AMs While I can agree that there are too few AMs, the whole process itself seems pretty bureaucratic with room for improvement. Once you've completed the AM stage, this still has to happen: - AM

Re: fresh blood gets congested: long way to become DD

2005-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, August 2, 2005 13:11, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: - a good review by an existing developer (advocate) It would be nice if all advocates would actually check that the applicant is apt to become a developer: The high number of rejections (by the AM) shows that this doesn't work. This

Re: fresh blood gets congested: long way to become DD

2005-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, August 2, 2005 13:44, Andreas Barth wrote: * Thijs Kinkhorst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050802 13:41]: And even then, appearently the DAM works like this: I approve person X, let's check his box, but I'll add the account at some point later on (this takes weeks on average). When you check

Re: fresh blood gets congested: long way to become DD

2005-08-02 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 15:24 +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: The FD checks their applications so as not to waste the DAM's time reviewing bogus ones, and the DAM checks them to filter out people who shouldn't get in. Your statement rests on the assuption that somehow the DAM's time is more

Re: mass bug filing on packages that are blocking use of cdebconf

2005-08-11 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 18:46 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] phpbb2 For the curious: fixed in svn, will be included in next upload. Thijs signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: package tracking system issues

2005-08-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Jay, On Fri, 2005-08-12 at 10:59 -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: The first thing I did was look for a pseudopackage in the bug tracking system for PTS, but I couldn't find one. Perhaps I overlooked it? You can report bugs in the PTS against the qa.debian.org pseudopackage. In my

Re: README - confusing, irrelevant, redundant, useless

2005-08-15 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, August 15, 2005 01:42, Ben Armstrong wrote: Why not just help improve upstream's README when you encounter poor quality work? That's what you'd do with code, wouldn't you? Requirements on upstream README and information that's useful within Debian differ. It often contains information

Re: Dogme05: Team Maintenance

2005-08-16 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, August 16, 2005 15:46, Wouter Verhelst wrote: We should strive to increase what I normally call the bus-factor; how many people need to be run over by a bus before the project stops. And for several of the packages in debian, the count is 1 or less. That's not true. For several of the

Re: Using buildds only (was: Results of the meeting...)

2005-08-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, August 22, 2005 10:45, W. Borgert wrote: Fortunately, Martin Krafft came up with the idea of allowing source-only uploads only together with a signed test protocol. The test protocol would have to include the output of lintian, linda, and piuparts - warnings allowed, errors not. I

Re: Unnecessary Conflicts with imap-server packages

2005-08-23 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, August 23, 2005 14:14, Gerrit Pape wrote: $ sed -ne '19,$p' /usr/share/doc/bincimap-run/README.Debian The bincimap-run package provides the virtual package ``imap-server'' and conflicts with other packages providing ``imap-server''. This ensures that bincimap is the only service that

Re: Dogme05: Team Maintenance

2005-08-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 10:06 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I've been privately told that an alioth admin demands hardware in compensation for his Debian-related work, effectively blackmailing the DPL. I don't know if this is true, I hope it's not. Making grave accusations based on rumours is

Re: Dogme05: Team Maintenance

2005-08-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 10:16 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Thijs Kinkhorst: On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 10:06 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: I've been privately told that an alioth admin demands hardware in compensation for his Debian-related work, effectively blackmailing the DPL. I don't

Re: Dogme05: Team Maintenance

2005-08-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 10:34 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: * Thijs Kinkhorst: unverifiable grave accusations It's not unverifiable (you can ask the DPL if you wish, or the admins involved), and it's not a very grave accusation, either. See it as an encouragement to make backups of your

Re: [Fwd: major problem with gnome-games dependency]

2005-10-11 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2005-10-11 at 22:00 +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: The main things that this thread shows me, is that it is *not* immediately clear to people not too familiar with Debian that the removal of the 'gnome' package will not have *any* effect on what actual software is actually

Re: [Bug#334632] Your message to Pkg-openssl-devel awaits moderator approval

2005-10-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, October 22, 2005 10:04, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: I maintain one such list on alioth, and I have not been able to find a way to let bug reports and other debian-related messages get into the lists unmoderated without also accepting a lot of spam. If you or anyone else can give me a

Re: postinst scripts failing because a new conffile wasn't accepted: Is it a bug?

2005-10-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 18:56 +0100, Frank Küster wrote: Because one of the changes in the new version was crucial for the function of the program, the postinst script fails to initialize it, and the whole installation process fails. Would it be possible to modify the program so that it is more

Bug#338463: ITP: squirrelmail-decode -- Extra decoding routines for complex character sets

2005-11-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Thijs Kinkhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: squirrelmail-decode Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : SquirrelMail Project Team * URL : http://www.squirrelmail.org/ * License : GPL Description : Extra decoding

Re: Resignation and uploads

2005-11-13 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, November 11, 2005 17:10, Christian Perrier wrote: From what I know of him, he will take care of these Debian tasks as soon as he'll be able to do sojust like any of us would after coming back from a conference we were at as part of our paid work. I think many other people would

Back to basic (was: Re: *seconded* Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting

2005-03-15 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, March 15, 2005 22:50, Stephen Frost said: I'm not sure that we've entirely missed the point as much as we like to think there's a better solution than dropping all but 4 archs. Here's where things go wrong in this discussion. I think the original proposal was (in retrospect) worded too

Re: about Nybbles : how to keep all those archs releasable complying with the Vancouver Project

2005-03-16 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, March 16, 2005 03:14, luna said: Let us see what is exactly the proposal. Right, this is exactly my view of the proposal: it isn't unreasonable for an arch to meet the requirements (except from the stated N2/by-new ones which are controversial). With luna's clarifications I definately

Re: why allow broken packages to get all the way to mirrors?

2005-04-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
a package to mirrors, have people install it and file bug reports by hand? (Often these reports are a day later already out-of-date because it was just a matter of time.) Isn't one of our strenghts that we can automate what we can so we can use our time for all those tasks that are left? Regards, Thijs

Re: Why do we still have this on the distribution?

2005-04-06 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, April 6, 2005 01:09, sean finney said: - sarge is around the corner, and keeping it in means maintaining it for possibly another 2-4 years! if it's *already* no longer maintained upstream... This raises a valid point; maybe the maintainer can comment on this? Since we already

Re: lintian linda (was: Automatic testing of Debian packages)

2005-04-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, April 11, 2005 22:26, Emanuele Rocca said: Well some differences came out: - linda has proper l10n strings for most errors (in German) - different output formats - different test sets - linda is faster So, linda is better than lintian? Faster and localized, that sound like good

Re: etch release target: SELinux?? (was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)

2005-04-12 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, April 11, 2005 21:46, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña said: Given the fact that the current standard installation installs both gcc, gdb and other development packages weighting more than that (see #301138, which nobody wants to fix) I don't find that an issue. After reading that bug I

Bug#305753: general: 38 packages still use 'Origin: debian'

2005-04-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thu, April 21, 2005 23:23, Dan Jacobson wrote: It feels odd that a handful of packages seem to use a dusty field: $ grep ^O /var/lib/dpkg/available|sort|uniq -c 3 Origin: Debian 35 Origin: debian Shall I clone this bug to them to get them to take it away? Perhaps you can state in your

Bug#305753: general: 38 packages still use 'Origin: debian'

2005-04-26 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sun, April 24, 2005 01:22, Dan Jacobson wrote: Thijs Perhaps you can state in your bugreport why it is needed to fix Thijs this. What problems does that field cause? I think they just need to delete a line somewhere. I assume Origin isn't necessary for these packages to say anymore.

Re: Regarding unresponsive Debian maintainers (was: Re: Open-Source environments for Java)

2005-05-23 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
for packages standard or higher and an important should for any other package. This would imply that if you want to add a new package to Debian you will have to look for someone who wants to help you with that first. Not an unhealthy idea I should say. regards Thijs Kinkhorst -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Regarding unresponsive Debian maintainers

2005-05-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, May 24, 2005 10:27, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: No, it is not always positive. Co-maintainence means you have a way, way higher overhead at maintaining the package. I don't have to coordinate uploads, checkins and so on with myself, for packages with comaintainers, I do. It does not have

Re: Dear Adrian Bunk, Please hold off a week or two

2005-05-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, May 31, 2005 03:43, Miles Bader wrote: Bernd Eckenfels [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I am glad somebody is working public visible on the release issues and would not critisize him for that. Pointing out a problem is nice, but doing so in an obnoxious manner hurts. I would like

Re: [SM-DEVEL] broken attachments with multiple attachments and php 4.3.11

2005-06-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Roalt, On Fri, June 3, 2005 11:37, Roalt Zijlstra wrote: I think I have fix for this silly PHP 4.3.11 bug and the fix is even more trivial. I can't imagine this will break anything. Thanks! It looks indeed ok, I'll mail it to the -devel list to get some more eyes on it, and will commit

Re: problems with public keys

2005-06-08 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 8, 2005 11:18, René van Bevern wrote: On 8.06.05, Nico Golde wrote: GPG key id not found! (key id was not found neither in the Debian keyring nor on a public keyserver) I have the same problem. This is a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/307461 Thijs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: libselinux1 - required

2005-06-08 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, June 8, 2005 12:50, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: In RedHat, using selinux is a run time option. If one don't want to use it, all one need to do is update a config file and reboot. I'm sure can get something similar working in Debian. If it's not necessary for basic operation of the

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, June 14, 2005 09:58, Julien BLACHE wrote: The Debian Way (tm) would be to drop mozilla, firefox and thunderbird from Debian -- there's no reason what works with the FSF can't work with the MoFo. If what works with the FSF would be the criterion for Debian, then we wouldn't have this

Re: Ongoing Firefox (and Thunderbird) Trademark problems

2005-06-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, June 14, 2005 08:00, Eric Dorland wrote: Now, the Mozilla Foundation is willing to give us permission to use the marks, but only to Debian specifically. To me, this feels like a violation (at least in spirit) of DFSG #8. However, in #4, an explicit exception is made for program names

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