Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Yes, that's right. If you can't get native IPv6, 6to4 is better than tunnels. Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most significant difference is that 6to4 makes an automatic tunnel to the remote 6to4 site, one

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2005-06-28 Thread Daniel Nicollet
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Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:05:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Yes, that's right. If you can't get native IPv6, 6to4 is better than tunnels. Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most significant

Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have been a consensus about how to handle dynamic updates to DNS from autoconfigured hosts. It isn't important to me that I have reverse lookups, nor do I even care if I have to use

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: If my friend Joe, down the street on the Cable Network and I are both doing IPv6, and we both have tunnels, then our traffic, which should travel literally 10s of meters, will travel 100s of km instead. If we were both

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:06:31AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have been a consensus about how to handle dynamic updates to DNS from autoconfigured hosts. It isn't important to me

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Jeroen == Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen Don't forget that 6to4 is also a tunnel ;) Actually the most Jeroen significant difference is that 6to4 makes an automatic Jeroen tunnel to the remote 6to4 site, one huge problem though, you

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Jeremie Corbier
Wouter Verhelst a écrit : On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:06:31AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have been a consensus about how to handle dynamic updates to DNS from autoconfigured hosts.

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:29:52PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:06:31AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have been a consensus about how to handle dynamic

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The reason to still have the tunnel, is just what you said: so that we can talk to 2001::/16 space. While I found that the ::192.88.99.1 routers weren't working for me, it is still my

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:24:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:15:09PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: If my friend Joe, down the street on the Cable Network and I are both doing IPv6, and we both have tunnels, then our traffic, which should travel literally

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one Marc from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have Marc been a consensus about how to handle dynamic updates to DNS

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Of course, by properly setting up mobile IPv6 extensions, Wouter you could sidestep this issue and get the best of both Wouter worlds; but since mobile IPv6 requires a kernel patch and

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Not that I know of. However, seen the fact that MAC Wouter addresses don't usually change, I'd say it's fair to assume Wouter your autoconfigured hosts won't, either -- unless you use

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:12:49PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Marc == Marc Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc I've read many threads on the DNS including an extended one Marc from 1999. As far as I can tell, there doesn't seem to have

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Jeroen == Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen What is the exact problem, as I am missing a large detail of Jeroen it :) The above skips the DHCP server. Random clients do not have a trust relationship with the owner of the reverse zone.

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:21:19PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Not that I know of. However, seen the fact that MAC Wouter addresses don't usually change, I'd say it's fair to assume Wouter your autoconfigured hosts

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 11:50:10AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:24:48PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Indeed. The only downside of 6to4 is that your subnet prefix changes with your public v4 address. If you don't have a static v4 address, then it'll be a bit less

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 09:45:55PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 15:12 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: They exist, but I haven't seen them. I'd run them. I see no way to do DDNS without state. I also see lots of reasons why I want state in my address configuration,

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:53:21PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Jeroen == Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeroen What is the exact problem, as I am missing a large detail of Jeroen it :) The above skips the DHCP server. Random

Re: Is there agreement on ddns (or any such) with autoconfigured hosts?

2005-06-28 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:41:09PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:21:19PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Wouter == Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wouter Not that I know of. However, seen the fact that MAC Wouter addresses don't usually change,

Re: Routing with 6to4 *and* a tunnel

2005-06-28 Thread Peter Chubb
Paul == Paul TBBle Hampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:38:06AM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 12:05:58PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: I thought that is what the endpoint was for,