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That's it!
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PS: I admit the existence of this java-alt-setup in bin directory
of /usr/lib/fjsdk might be slightly confusing. I'll prepare a
version that shows a note that the free-java-sdk does not use
the alternatives system itself. Thanks for the hint
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These facilities include class loading, class instantiation,
synchronization, garbage collection (ie. you can trigger GC from within
your program), reflection (ie. you can ask VM
JVMs).
The analogy you gave sounds broken.
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dynamically with these specific libraries, then it too needs to be
released in a GPL-compatible way.
Plese stop claiming the black is white. Thanks.
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not about to relese 1.1.9 yet) we
could just make Eclipse dependant on xalan (we already have them in
Debian) and make use of them when 'java' is choosen to be SableVM?
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of the interfaces. Using GPLed implementation of
such interface to create your work does however create a derivative
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On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 19:55 +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
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I fail to see the relevance of this paragraph to the discussion at
hand
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Now, in our case, Eclipse is linked agains a libraries that ARE GPLed.
No, it is being interpreted by an interpreter that is covered by the
GPL. Even the FSF admits that this does
it differently: if that was allowed, then why do we need glibc
to be LGPLed, and not GPLed? After all the C language and its basic
libraries are also standarized to great extent.
But having glibc purely GPL just doesn't sound good, does it?
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Now, in our case, Eclipse is linked agains a libraries that ARE GPLed
to distribute Kaffe, for
it's very good for all GPL-compatible programs on platforms it supports.
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I hope this clarifies _at least_ this issue.
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On Thu, 2005-13-01 at 17:24 -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 04:35:50PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
But was Kaffe _extended_ to provide such bindings for Eclipse 3.0?
This FAQ entry discusses 2 cases. One is when we have an interpreter,
that basically goes over
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Which Eclipse packages? The old ones we have in SID now? Irrelevant.
There would have been nothing whatsoever to discuss in such case.
The *new* Eclipse packages that are being
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http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
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not work. FWIK soon after SableVM 1.1.8
release GNU Classpath got fully merged a version of jaxp that is capable
of running Eclipse (the above instructions do not use jaxp). We should
have the new, fixed version of jaxp included in 1.1.9.
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installed becomes outdated...
or implement this feature in java-package itself.
Any thoughts? Objections? Thinks I didn't think of?
Indeed, it seems more sane to have this scattered functionality
integrated into one, but working package.
Go on.
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On Wed, 2005-12-01 at 02:49 +, Dalibor Topic wrote:
Grzegorz B. Prokopski gadek at debian.org writes:
See http://sablevm.org/wiki/License_FAQ for details.
Gadek, last time you've taken your claims to debian-legal, noone on
debian-legal
agreed with your interpretation of the GPL
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Am Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2005 17:55 schrieb Grzegorz B. Prokopski:
On Wed, 2005-05-01 at 17:40 +0100, Michael Koch wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2005 17:29 schrieb Jerry Haltom:
Does that provide the command line ant? Doesn't look like
of helpful informations
about many aspects of using and developing SableVM. Hopefully you'll
find them useful!
Happy New Year 2005 !!!
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
PS: Some of the most popular of SableVM Wiki pages:
* http://sablevm.org/wiki/Eclipse - HOWTO run Eclipse w
otherwise, or you just noticed that
these tools were missing?
This way or another please file a bugreport so that it didn't get lost.
Thanks for using Free Java,
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libdcop3-java and libdcop3-jni and merge them in either qt or kde
packages (wherever they belong). This way you'd have 4 packages of
decent sizes and no archive space wasted for keeping multiple copies of
identical .jar files.
HTH
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but not PostgreSQL. Try and tell us what your experiences were.
Even if you don't get it running, filling in a good bugreport with
complete description how to trigger a bug is very helpful, really.
This surely won't be going too deep yet, right?
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by
autobuilders). Let me know.
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On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 09:30, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote:
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 01:41:22 -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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java-related development (2 of my courses this term require a lot of
java programming) I simply use SableVM and free-java-sdk package
that provides
usability. You can help
all us (and yourself, if you care for Free Java) if you i.e. provide
bugreports that allow us to fix bugs or implement missing but often used
features, or if you tell others where Free Java was useful for you.
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and the package is in a very good shape (AFAICS).
You may also want to 'apt-get install free-java-sdk' which contains an
almost complete SDK-like environment composed only of free tools.
HTH
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W licie z wto, 31-08-2004, godz. 07:59, Ricky Clarkson pisze:
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for reference), but for practical reasons it does
not do that, as it would render Depends: of many packages useless.
I hope you see the analogy.
Cheers,
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PS: When Sarge is finally released shouldn't we think about
renaming java-runtime
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Summarizing: in both cases - for an enduser and for jvm maintainer
it is *worth* to have Depends: field describing what JVMs are expected
to work.
So please, include this information if you can,
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PS: And, obviously, if it hasn't been tested
W licie z pon, 07-06-2004, godz. 04:28, Arnaud Vandyck pisze:
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I could not add libgnujaxp-java as a Dependency of sablevm, because this
-java package depends on some native pieces (libgnujaxp-jni) that are
not available on one
W licie z nie, 06-06-2004, godz. 09:24, Sebastian Urbach pisze:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:37:51 -0400
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Could you please check the sablevm package dependencies in Sid ?
Seems that there is a dependency problem ...
Yup. there is, because
W licie z nie, 06-06-2004, godz. 16:07, Arnaud Vandyck pisze:
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* New upstream release
* Build with free-java-sdk / SableVM instead of Kaffe so I don't need the
ugly LD_LIBRARY_PATH hack any longer (closes: #246468)
Cool! I am very happy to
SableVM 1.1.5 for:
* i386
* powerpc
* sparc
are availabe at
http://gadek.debian.net/debs/
This version is quite an improvement, as for ex. building .jars with
Ant1.6 was reported to work.
Hope this helps,
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* less than 20
* less than 40
* more than 40
* none yet, but I am starting this week
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[*] With the exception of ARM, but it's on my immediate TODO list and
shouldn't take too long - arithmetic corner cases handling has to be
fixed for this CPU, which doesn't handle/detect them at all.
PS: As Jim Pick explained at FOSDEM - Kaffe has been GPLed exactly
with testing too.
We wish you great fun using SableVM!
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W licie z pon, 19-01-2004, godz. 02:10, Adam Majer pisze:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 09:49:44PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
W li?cie z nie, 18-01-2004, godz. 19:41, Adam Majer pisze:
PS. Furthermore, since these wrappers are NOT and should not be dependent
on version of the JVM
on.
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[*] I don't want to upload new sablevm every few days to conserve
autobuilders. Don't believe the svn numbers you see. The -2
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W licie z nie, 18-01-2004, godz. 11:27, Arnaud Vandyck pisze:
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They do provide it. I think it's not legal. But I already told them but
retract because I was not sure enough.
You an always ask at debian-legal first. I haven't read ALL the
license
for classpath and sablevm by hand.
And this is only needed if the content of a wrapper acutally changed
in some important way, which isn't often thing, I belive. [*]
Cheers,
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[*] For SableVM there is a _file_ which contains bootclasspath, so
I asked at #debian-devel and was adviced to contact debian-release.
So this is mainly for debian-release to take a look at.
W licie z sob, 17-01-2004, godz. 06:38, Mark Howard pisze:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:44:34AM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
The problem is known, I pointed it out
W licie z sob, 17-01-2004, godz. 15:50, Adam Majer pisze:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:44:34AM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
while jikes has:
Recommends: jikes-gij | jikes-kaffe | jikes-sun | jikes-classpath |
jikes-sablevm
where jikes-sun is in the contrib section
that mdr (whatever it is) is much deeper buried in internals of
ArgoUML and you can't sanely live w/o it using some stubs?
HTH
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, especially that we're about
to release.
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[*] This is completly irrelevant that jikes is currently held by
Kaffe. Tomorrow it may be held by SableVM, and in a week by Classpath
or GIJ.
PS: There's also an against-Policy bug in jikes
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Forwarding the stuff because the original mail got rejected by
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On replies - please keep Cc:ing addresses from the forwarded mail.
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- how far can we go using Kaffe or similar ones.
W licie z ro, 29-10-2003, godz. 17:55, Grzegorz B. Prokopski pisze:
Hi all!
Summary: Usage of GPLed libs to compile GPL-incompatible code makes
the result *undistributable*. [0]
Affected java packages: Every package that contains GPL
).
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PS: I hope d-l people won't mind us Cc:ing them from now on. We surely
don't want to make it another IANAL-discussion which brigns nothing
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and/or GPLed JVMs is beyond the scope of this message.
Cheers,
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[0] AFAIK for the same reason KDE was once removed from Debian
completly as linking GPLed code w/ GPL-incompatible license
made it not only violate the license but also made
, and
* wrapper packages or other sorts of free accessories for non-free
programs.
So I belive that's probably where these scripts belong (if not in
non-free even - which may be the case according to last -devel
discussions).
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in
java-common.
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- that it's the JVM package work to privide suitable
java compiler wrapper. Right? :-)
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functionality (when ran w/ free tools) to the extent, which
wouldn't be considered an RC bug in functionality.
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so that we could depend on some general jikes with classpath)
then we probably should go with 2 or 3.
After all - 2. was the way I thought of at the first glance.
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On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:16:53PM -0400, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
Package: jikes
Version: 1.18-6
Severity: wishlist
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documentation about the X-Debbugs-CC
(it should probably be created
so that we could depend on some general jikes with classpath)
then we probably should go with 2 or 3.
After all - 2. was the way I thought of at the first glance.
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fix for that would be that creation of wrappers
should be only up to JVM/classpath maintainers and be done by them,
probably in their JVM/classpath packages.
Are there any reasons not to do so?
Regards
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[0] It was some 3 months ago
fix for that would be that creation of wrappers
should be only up to JVM/classpath maintainers and be done by them,
probably in their JVM/classpath packages.
Are there any reasons not to do so?
Regards
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[0] It was some 3 months ago
reflects
change of location of the 'java' wrapper - now /usr/bin/java-sablevm.
Enjoy and report
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[0] hppa, mips and mipsel don't have libffi which is required for
SableVM to build and work (anyone would like to try to fix this?)
All non-intel
reflects
change of location of the 'java' wrapper - now /usr/bin/java-sablevm.
Enjoy and report
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[0] hppa, mips and mipsel don't have libffi which is required for
SableVM to build and work (anyone would like to try to fix this?)
All non-intel
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[1] I used ArgoUML to create diagrams for my M.Sc. thesis. Packaging
ArgoUML (after my thesis were ready) was a kind of paying back the debt
for this great tool.
[2] There are #155198 and #155200 which say that ArgoUML should depend
on java2 (trivial
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[1] I used ArgoUML to create diagrams for my M.Sc. thesis. Packaging
ArgoUML (after my thesis were ready) was a kind of paying back the debt
for this great tool.
[2] There are #155198 and #155200 which say that ArgoUML should depend
on java2 (trivial
learn about all the
options that 'java' command should understand (and how they should
be used)? [0] I'd really love to see a pointer. Thanks.
Thank you for your comments, Daniel
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[0] When I was writing this java wrapper - I took a look
learn about all the
options that 'java' command should understand (and how they should
be used)? [0] I'd really love to see a pointer. Thanks.
Thank you for your comments, Daniel
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
[0] When I was writing this java wrapper - I took a look
upload of jikes.
Thank you
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
PS: A thank you to all who voted for change.
PSS: At least we had some fun :-)
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will be included in next upload of SableVM package.
There are some improvements uderway which should mandate new upstream
version. If that doesn't happen in near future - I'll upload 1.0.5
with your patch. It surely hasn't been forgotten.
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will be included in next upload of SableVM package.
There are some improvements uderway which should mandate new upstream
version. If that doesn't happen in near future - I'll upload 1.0.5
with your patch. It surely hasn't been forgotten.
Regards
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W licie z nie, 19-01-2003, godz. 17:23, Ola Lundqvist pisze:
Hi
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:04:22AM +0100, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
retitle 176628 java.awt.* classess don't work as expected for
java1-runtime
thanks
W li?cie z pon, 13-01-2003, godz. 18:26, Stephen Zander pisze
actually have a problem?
Will having exact policy in this area gain us anything?
(Read: Do we rally want our free JVMs to be either kept out of testing
or kept w/o Provides: that can bring them to real live in many uses?)
Regards
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
PS: I'll wait
W licie z nie, 19-01-2003, godz. 17:23, Ola Lundqvist pisze:
Hi
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:04:22AM +0100, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote:
retitle 176628 java.awt.* classess don't work as expected for
java1-runtime
thanks
W li?cie z pon, 13-01-2003, godz. 18:26, Stephen Zander pisze
actually have a problem?
Will having exact policy in this area gain us anything?
(Read: Do we rally want our free JVMs to be either kept out of testing
or kept w/o Provides: that can bring them to real live in many uses?)
Regards
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
PS: I'll wait
W licie z nie, 19-01-2003, godz. 23:17, Dalibor Topic pisze:
--- Ola Lundqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 10:22:23PM +0100, Grzegorz
B. Prokopski wrote:
I don't know what 99% or what 80% is. Fact is that
aside of Kaffe,
the other free JVMs use indirectly (like
on the TODO list as soon as the author
gets back from his vacations.
BTW: I tested above example w/ jikes 1.15 (and jikes-sable wrapper
from current jikes package version) and it worked.
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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on the TODO list as soon as the author
gets back from his vacations.
BTW: I tested above example w/ jikes 1.15 (and jikes-sable wrapper
from current jikes package version) and it worked.
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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contains all the code
related to javadoc.
Probably Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] (who is now the maintainter of
gjdoc package) could say more about it, but I suggest you try it
yourself first.
Regards
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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contains all the code
related to javadoc.
Probably Mark Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] (who is now the maintainter of
gjdoc package) could say more about it, but I suggest you try it
yourself first.
Regards
Grzegorz B. Prokopski
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of today's free JVMs and their classlibs as unusable
because of some lacks or bugs. Especially when there's effort under
way to remove them.
The Java Policy is to help us, to support us and to guide us.
The Java Policy is for us, not the other way.
Kind regards
Grzegorz B
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