Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 01:39:09PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: But what ends up on the user's Debian system when he types apt-get install eclipse; eclipse is a program incorporating a JVM and many libraries. Debian's not just distributing Eclipse or just distributing Kaffe -- the idea

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 04:44:39PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: But you can see that it's not mere aggregation, because they invoke each other when run. Evidence is not proof. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jan 13, 2005 at 03:19:36PM -0500, Grzegorz B. Prokopski wrote: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL However, when the interpreter is extended to provide bindings to other facilities (often, but not necessarily, libraries), the ... Do you understand that an

Re: Illustrating JVM bindings

2005-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
Is this relevant to Eclipse? I was under the impression that Eclipse was pure java -- that it did not use JNI at all. If Eclipse does use JNI, would still a question about whether or not Kaffe's JNI implementation constitute some kind of extension designed to work around the GPL or

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
[Note: I don't know enough about Eclipse and Kaffe to make any comments on that specific issue. Instead, I'm responding to some of the things Michael has written.] On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 11:41:08PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: You know, just because the FSF has claimed for many years that

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:37:28 -0500, Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's laws and precedents -- particularly those grouped under the principle which is termed contributory infringement which makes it true. On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:13:58PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: What laws

Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

2005-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 02:58:38PM -0800, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Right. But whether it will run isn't a copyright criterion, any more than whether a work of criticism will make any sense if not read side-by-side with the work it critiques. Sure, and evidence isn't proof. If it can be