Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-19 Thread Carsten Pfeiffer
Am Donnerstag, 14. Mai 2009 schrieb jedd: The little 'x' icon to clear the location bar, previously sensibly located on the left, right near the thing you would want to clear, is now located way over on the right and in my case appears to be a mini-icon for an openoffice impress document

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-19 Thread jedd
On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Carsten Pfeiffer wrote: I just noticed that you can configure this: open the toolbar configuration dialog to edit the address toolbar. Drag the Clear Address bar action from the left side to the very top of the right side. Carsten - thank you so very much for finding

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-19 Thread Carsten Pfeiffer
Am Dienstag, 19. Mai 2009 schrieb jedd: I just did it, and it works. Okay, sure, of my three toolbar icon sets, two of them relocated to the top, one started showing with text again, the other got larger, and the third disappeared, and konqueror crashed to drkonqi when I was in settings

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-19 Thread jedd
On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Carsten Pfeiffer wrote: Just to keep you happy I found out another thing: start up dolphin, open the settings dialog, general tab and check direct renaming (or something like that, I have the German version). Happy?! My nipples are tingling with delight over here! If

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Marcus Better
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Baron wrote: KMail has (nothing new here) threading problems, will easily crash when moving/deleting message while a view is being stuffed (the user doesn't know when it is safe...). IMHO kmail is unusable due to this and other problems

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Marcus Better
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nate Bargmann wrote: While I've been hit with some annoying bugs and a couple of lack of features like no system beep passed through Konsole, I've not seen the crashes. Wow, how did you do that? I get crashes several times a day from all over the

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On 2009 m. May 15 d., Friday 12:04:27 Marcus Better wrote: IMHO kmail is unusable due to this and other problems (just check the bug trackers), and what's more it has been this way for *years*. Data loss, crashes, connection problems, you name it. (I've used it for nearly a decade with

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread drz
Am Freitag 15 Mai 2009 11:15:04 schrieb Modestas Vainius It is perfectly usable, I have also used it for 6 years (POP3 and IMAP), lost a few mails. Yes, it does crash sometimes, it does have connection problems on unreliable connections, but come on, it is a pretty nice mail client, restarting

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread jedd
On Thursday 14 May 2009, Sune Vuorela wrote: krunner looks in libexec dir as well, so it should work. You're absolutely right. For some reason, my command-line option within krunner had disabled itself. Turning it on again makes kdesu usable from krunner. OTOH, I see that to run an app as

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-05-15, jedd j...@progsoc.org wrote: KDE4 is in general identifying several bugs related to X. But you are claiming you haven't upgraded your X in 6 months? No no, of course not. But the graphics bugs popped up at the same time as KDE4. It may be happenstance - like the annoying

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Marcus Better
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Modestas Vainius wrote: Plain wrong. Even your statements kmail is unusable and I've used it for nearly a decade are contradicting. For some values of use and usability... I've used it extensively, and even when it was too broken I switched to

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On 2009 m. May 15 d., Friday 12:54:02 Marcus Better wrote: Your statement restarting it usually solves most issues also seems, to my mind, to contradict the statement that it is usable - that's my subjective opinion of course, but I also don't think mainstream users find such issues in

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Marcus Better mar...@better.se [2009 May 15 04:11 -0500]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nate Bargmann wrote: While I've been hit with some annoying bugs and a couple of lack of features like no system beep passed through Konsole, I've not seen the crashes. Wow, how

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Ferdi Thommes
Am Friday 15 May 2009 11:22:59 schrieb drz: Am Freitag 15 Mai 2009 11:15:04 schrieb Modestas Vainius It is perfectly usable, I have also used it for 6 years (POP3 and IMAP), lost a few mails. Yes, it does crash sometimes, it does have connection problems on unreliable connections, but come

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Mike Bird
On Fri May 15 2009 02:04:27 Marcus Better wrote: IMHO kmail is unusable due to this and other problems (just check the bug trackers), and what's more it has been this way for *years*. Data loss, crashes, connection problems, you name it. (I've used it for nearly a decade with many different

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Vie 15 May 2009 15:30:06 Mike Bird escribió: On Fri May 15 2009 02:04:27 Marcus Better wrote: IMHO kmail is unusable due to this and other problems (just check the bug trackers), and what's more it has been this way for *years*. Data loss, crashes, connection problems, you name it. (I've

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Viernes, 15 de Mayo de 2009, Modestas Vainius escribió: It is perfectly usable, I have also used it for 6 years (POP3 and IMAP), lost a few mails. Yes, it does crash sometimes, it does have connection problems on unreliable connections, but come on, it is a pretty nice mail client,

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Mike Bird
On Fri May 15 2009 13:23:41 Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: I use offline imap, and I didn't have a crash of kmail since 4.2.1 (at least!) I use airlines and have NEVER experienced a crash (although I've seen all the oxygen masks come down in a bad landing). The fact that a lot of

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-15 Thread Mark Purcell
On Friday 15 May 2009 03:15:07 jedd wrote: You seem to have some display corruptions. Especially the intel driver is currently known for having big issues with that. Yes, I've heard nasty rumours about the Intel driver being a bit dodgy, but I was using the same driver on xorg for the

KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread jedd
Greetings, Okay, this is going to come across as pretty much just one big whinging email. I've been moved to tears these past several weeks, though, as I've battled KDE 4 on my laptop (Wind, 1.6GHz 2GB RAM - a reasonable if not hugely powerful machine). I've often wanted to revert to 3.5,

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-05-14, jedd j...@progsoc.org wrote: Greetings, Hi! I just took a random look on your list of things - and there was several things being quite wrong. Your so-called akonadi-workaround isn't any kind of workaround, but a possibility for people who want to use the system running mysql.

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread David Baron
My 2-cents Konqueror, whether using its native routines or webkit, has serious problems. Whole-screen operation is somewhat better but scrolling on a page is unpredictable and often unusable. KMail has (nothing new here) threading problems, will easily crash when moving/deleting message while

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread jedd
Hi Sune. Thank you responding. You're right (wrt the akonadi stuff) - it's something I got some help with from Michael, et al, on this list a little while back. I think cranking up another MySQL instance is not necessarily the most optimum approach for an application to do - and it might

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-05-14, jedd j...@progsoc.org wrote: kdesu is a part of kde and fully available in your KDE libexec dir. alt f2 kdesu systemsettings - there you go. Okay, then I have the problem of /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/ not being in my path. I see that there's a kdesu_stub (part of kdelibs4 5)

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 14 May 2009 17:05:16 jedd wrote:  I simply can't believe that every other unstable user, now using  KDE 4, can be having the same types of experiences that I am  and not talking (complaining) about them here. Another whinge, I'm afraid. From, where I am sitting, you count as one

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Mike Bird
On Thu May 14 2009 12:54:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: Not that I shall abandon KDE 3.x.x until I am dragged off it kicking and screaming. Amen. KDE 4 has been out well over a year. In fact it's more than two years since the first test release. I've tried it a two or three times and always run away

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Nate Bargmann
While I've been hit with some annoying bugs and a couple of lack of features like no system beep passed through Konsole, I've not seen the crashes. Perhaps that has more to do with your video driver and kernel. Other than KDM refusing to start since upgrading to KDE4, after installing kernel

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 14 May 2009 22:02:45 Mike Bird wrote: An ENORMOUS thank you to the KDE team for leaving KDE 3.5 in Lenny. I fully echo that. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread marc
jedd said: I simply can't believe that every other unstable user, now using KDE 4, can be having the same types of experiences that I am and not talking (complaining) about them here. It is a terrible mess. I'm trying to use Kubuntu, so not quite the same thing. There's a lot of denial

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Nick Shaforostoff
On Пятница 15 мая 2009 01:12:00 marc wrote: It is a terrible mess. I'm trying to use Kubuntu, so not quite the same thing. There's a lot of denial going on, imo. I've raised so many bugs in the past few weeks I've now given up; nothing seems to be getting fixed, although a few security

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Michael Schuerig
On Thursday 14 May 2009, Mike Bird wrote: On Thu May 14 2009 12:54:50 Lisi Reisz wrote: Not that I shall abandon KDE 3.x.x until I am dragged off it kicking and screaming. Amen. KDE 4 has been out well over a year. In fact it's more than two years since the first test release. I've

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello, On 2009 m. May 15 d., Friday 00:02:45 Mike Bird wrote: An ENORMOUS thank you to the KDE team for leaving KDE 3.5 in Lenny. I hope they have a fall-back plan to deliver KDE 3.5 in Squeeze, because KDE 4 is going nowhere fast. Definitely no. KDE 3 IS dead, just let it RIP. Apparently,

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread marc
Nick Shaforostoff said: On Пятница 15 мая 2009 01:12:00 marc wrote: It is a terrible mess. I'm trying to use Kubuntu, so not quite the same thing. There's a lot of denial going on, imo. I've raised so many bugs in the past few weeks I've now given up; nothing seems to be getting fixed,

Re: KDE 4 simply broken

2009-05-14 Thread Sam Leon
To provide a small light of hope we have an old server that still has kde 3.3 on it. It is amazingly horrible. You are lucky if you are just able to log in. So hopefully kde4.4 will be where it is at. Maybe a year down the road? (although I said a similar statement last year about kde4.1