Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On 15 Dec 1999, Henning Makholm wrote: Brian Behlendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Marc van Leeuwen wrote: a) REMIND may not be used under Microsoft Windows (3.0, 3.1, 95 or NT) or any future version of Windows. Such use constitutes a violation of

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Seth David Schoen
Brian Behlendorf writes: On 15 Dec 1999, Henning Makholm wrote: Brian Behlendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Marc van Leeuwen wrote: a) REMIND may not be used under Microsoft Windows (3.0, 3.1, 95 or NT) or any future version of Windows. Such use

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Marc van Leeuwen
Seth David Schoen wrote a lot of interesting things, which raise some questions. Let's take a whirlwind tour through the portions of the GPL which talk about its applicability in order to see why this is so. You don't get to modify the GPL: Everyone is permitted to copy and

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Marc van Leeuwen
Jeff Teunissen wrote Henning Makholm wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: All the owner can take back is the promise as it applies to new copies. That is bad enough as it is. It means that once the owner changes his mind, we lose the right to make and

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: But that particular issue is moot as far as this license goes. Since this license does not even _attempt_ to modify the GPL, the interpretation of the GPL is very clear and unambiguous: just as Brian says, the GPL forbids this sort of thing (in

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is bad enough as it is. It means that once the owner changes his mind, we lose the right to make and distribute new modifications: I might still have the right to make one modified copy of the

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Marc van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But this is not just an exercise for the lawyers; it means for instance that Debian should immediately stop distributing remind, even in non-free, since they obviously lack the right to do that! That reasoning is plain wrong. OBVIOUSLY the author

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Lynn Winebarger
On 16 Dec 1999, Henning Makholm wrote: The license contained in the copy is just bits. Can bits make legal promises in American law? They certainly can't over here. In effect, the license contained in the copy is a recording of a statement the author made once in the past. Since that

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Marc van Leeuwen
Henning Makholm wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: But that particular issue is moot as far as this license goes. Since this license does not even _attempt_ to modify the GPL, the interpretation of the GPL is very clear and unambiguous: just as Brian says, the GPL

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Marc van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, one may not amend the GPL, whatever this means exactly Who says that? The GPL says so, but that is only relevant in situations where the GPL has anything to say. Second the remind copyright notice explicitly references the GPL, without any

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Jeffry_Smith
first, IANAL, but I had one semester of business law. Most of business law deals with contracts. Consideration does not have to be money. Example from class: I contract with you that, if you don't drink for a year, I will give you a ski trip. Now, did i recieve consideration? Yes, because

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In terms of the GPL, the consideration I have always used is that I gain the knowledge of any modifications you make, if you provide the software to anyone. The GPL does not contain any if you distribute to anyone you must distribute to the author clause. Such a

Re: freedomization task list [was: Re: Dangerous precedent being

1999-12-16 Thread Jeffry_Smith
What I meant was, that if someone distributes their changes outside their organization, they must also distribute (or make available) the source to those they distribute to. They must also license the changes under the GPL. So, I as the author could aquire the changes either from the person

On the GPL (was: webmin license)

1999-12-16 Thread Nick Moffitt
The reason why the GPL does not allow changes is because of the line or, at your option, any later version that appears in the standard notice when an author puts a work under the GPL. It is designed specifically to keep people from putting out a new version of the GPL that might then

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Seth David Schoen
Henning Makholm writes: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: But that particular issue is moot as far as this license goes. Since this license does not even _attempt_ to modify the GPL, the interpretation of the GPL is very clear and unambiguous: just as Brian says, the GPL

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Seth David Schoen
Henning Makholm writes: Marc van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But this is not just an exercise for the lawyers; it means for instance that Debian should immediately stop distributing remind, even in non-free, since they obviously lack the right to do that! That reasoning is plain

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Seth David Schoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Henning Makholm writes: That applies to works that have been licenses under the unamended GPL. We're talking about a work which has *not* been licensed under the unamended GPL. The uamended GPL has *no* force whatsoever on which license terms

Re: webmin license

1999-12-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Gergely Madarasz wrote: (A note for debian-legal members, all the information which can be found about webmin licensing is on the website, pasted here: What licence is Webmin distributed under? Following the acquisition of Webmin by Caldera, all past and