Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In principle, at least, we should be able to find a basis for agreement, and go from there. Where to? What exactly is served by the whole discussion?

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
none [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am not sure I understand the significance of the difference here and what issue I am confusing - perhaps you can enlighten me on your position. Copyright infringement may occur whether you fail to comply with a license or whether you breach a contract. Last I

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) Lbh'er zhqqyvat nccyrf naq benatrf. Urer gur pbheg vf gnyxvat nobhg gur serr fcrrpu orvat vgfrys n pbclevtug npg bs fcrrpu. Could somebody please explain the joke? Why is this rot13'd? No

Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sven LUTHER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This causes no problem, because the QPL is not incompatible with the LGPL, but it is with the GPL. So there is no possibility to link it with libreadline, isn't it ? You are correct: such a combination is not allowed if the licenses are incompatible. As

Re: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:33:31PM -0400, none wrote: My difficulty with this argument is that an owner of the copy of the GPL library has a wide right to make a derivative work on the owner's computer by virtue of the GPL and/or a more limited right in the U.S. by virtue of section 117 of the

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-22 Thread Raul Miller
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In principle, at least, we should be able to find a basis for agreement, and go from there. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 09:20:29PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Where to? What exactly is served by the whole discussion? If, as he claims, there's merit

Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-22 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 04:29:35PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: The real problem is that it is a pain for the user to use a toplevel interpreter without propper input history support. The authors couldn't care less, and don't want (yet) to release the few files from the toplevel interpreter

Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-22 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 04:29:35PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: The real problem is that it is a pain for the user to use a toplevel interpreter without propper input history support. The authors couldn't care less, and don't

Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-22 Thread Brian Ristuccia
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 04:46:50PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: Why not use libeditline instead? It's source-code compatible with the basic features of readline and has a BSD (sans ad clause) type license. Ok didn't know

Re: facultative linking and libraries. ...

2001-06-22 Thread Sven LUTHER
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:47:49AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 04:46:50PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:35:45AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: Why not use libeditline instead? It's source-code compatible with the basic features of

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
On 21 Jun 2001, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: At the same time, it is wise to bend over backwards to make clear that one is disclaiming any implied warranty that might exist. This depends which nation's law you are under. As I understood German law, any clause if at a whole void, that disclaims

Re: OpenSSL and GPLed programs

2001-06-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In principle, at least, we should be able to find a basis for agreement, and go from there. On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 09:20:29PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Where to? What exactly is served by the whole

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-22 Thread John Galt
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Raul Miller wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 11:12:58AM -0400, Chloe Hoffman wrote: If we're talking about enforcement of copyright in a court of law, then I would note, as summarized by Eugene Volokh (http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh/copyinj.htm#IIA): In Harper

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-22 Thread Raul Miller
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:43PM -0600, John Galt wrote: Debian's already doing this to some small extent by calling it Debian GNU/Linux. No, we're not. To see the difference, compare this to Debian GNU/Linux -- This product includes software developed by the Apache Group for use in the

Re: Question about the old BSD license and GPL (gtkipmsg)

2001-06-22 Thread Stephen Stafford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 22 June 2001 10:28 pm, John Galt wrote: Chloe Hoffman snipped: no attributed text, no need for CC On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Raul Miller wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:43PM -0600, John Galt wrote: Debian's already doing this to some

Re: Combining proprietary code and GPL for in-house use

2001-06-22 Thread Richard Stallman
My difficulty with this argument is that an owner of the copy of the GPL library has a wide right to make a derivative work on the owner's computer by virtue of the GPL and/or a more limited right in the U.S. by virtue of section 117 of the U.S. Copyright Act. In the scenario we