Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Raul Miller
Please supply a reference backing up this assertion, please. On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:54:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't know a reference off the top of my head, but there are some. One case I recall involved a book of forms for wills. Despite these being legal

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread David Starner
On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 12:44:56AM +0200, Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson wrote: A copyright license is a copyrightable work. Pleasse supply a reference backing up this assertion, please. It's a large chunk of text, that took

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please supply a reference backing up this assertion, please. On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:54:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I don't know a reference off the top of my head, but there are some. One case I recall involved a book of forms for

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
David Starner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 10:50:31PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 12:44:56AM +0200, Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson wrote: A copyright license is a copyrightable work. Pleasse supply a reference backing up this assertion,

Re: question about free-software licenses

2001-10-16 Thread Richard Stallman
The conclusion so far on debian-legal is that the DFARS clause simply annuls most of the extra rights that US copyright law ordinarily grants to the government, and so is not discriminating *against* the government. I am not a lawyer, and I don't know for sure what the clause

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson
On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:06:22PM -0500, David Starner wrote: If you're going to change a program, you need to/should change the manual along with it. I thought some more on this over breakfast, and yes, manuals should be free in all cases, but I think that the GNU FDL is free enough even

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Licenses have always been declared out of territory, since there's no need to modify them, and we don't want to argue with various authors over the license of the license. There's been several instances of GPL-ripoffs, e.g. people basing

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:28:08AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's been several instances of GPL-ripoffs, e.g. people basing their own licenses on the GNU GPL, or was I dreaming that? I've never seen a licence that includes a large

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 07:54:58PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it said that modifications were allowed, that could be construed to mean that you could modify the license on a GPLed work to something other than the GPL. The real fear is that

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:28:08AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Also, you could, if you wanted, include the entire unmodified GPL and add an introductory section that changes the meaning or what follows. Like Guile does. That's the Right Way to Do it. Okay, I admit it, I can't find any

Re: installing on RiscPC

2001-10-16 Thread Wookey
On Sat 06 Oct, John Galt wrote: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Wookey wrote: The current license in full is: Terminology --- 1. The `original author' contained here in is Russell King, currently contactable at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. The `source code' refers to the machine-readable

Re: installing on RiscPC

2001-10-16 Thread John Galt
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Wookey wrote: On Sat 06 Oct, John Galt wrote: On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Wookey wrote: The current license in full is: Terminology --- 1. The `original author' contained here in is Russell King, currently contactable at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. The `source

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 01:04:50PM +0200, Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson wrote: So my suggestion stands. It would be a good thing to have DFSG, DFAIG (art/information) and DFDD (documentation). The DFAIG should allow free verbatim distribution and freely 'changing formats', eg. svg to png or dvi

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson wrote: What part of Free Software don't you understand? If we distribute it, it's software. If it's not software (or willing to be treated as such), it's not our mission to distribute it. Oh give me a break. Where was this argument in the past when we discussed

documentation licenses

2001-10-16 Thread Clint Adams
Since it seems rather unclear whether or not the GFDL and OPL are DFSG-free with all permutations of their optional clauses, is anyone suggesting that documentation in Debian be held to a different standard than the DFSG? On the other hand, if the various restrictions on modification and printed

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 10:16:03AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I guess these are all software then: debian-guide - Text from: Debian GNU/Linux: Guide to Installation and Usage dwarfs-debian-guide - Dwarf's guide to installing and using Debian GNU/Linux lg-issue66 - Issue 66 of the

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 10:16:03AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: I guess these are all software then: debian-guide - Text from: Debian GNU/Linux: Guide to Installation and Usage dwarfs-debian-guide - Dwarf's guide to installing and using Debian GNU/Linux

Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples

2001-10-16 Thread Chloe Hoffman
From: Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: debian-legal@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: xfig-doc has license problems in examples Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:50:31 -0400 On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 12:44:56AM +0200, Sunnanvind Briling Fenderson wrote: A