Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-12-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I think Henning was referring to the case where one wants to use small portions of a GNU Manual verbatim. This is not a very serious issue, since it isn't hard to rewrite a small amount of text. You can also refer to it with a hypertext link instead of copying it. I don't think there is

Re: Bug#121916: marked as forwarded (analog should be in non-free)

2001-12-01 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debian Bug Tracking System) has caused the Debian Bug report #121916, regarding analog should be in non-free to be marked as having been forwarded to the upstream software author(s) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Huh? When did debian-legal become the upstream authors of

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think Henning was referring to the case where one wants to use small portions of a GNU Manual verbatim. This is not a very serious issue, since it isn't hard to rewrite a small amount of text. You can also refer to it with a hypertext

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Joey Hess
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: That requirement imposes a maximum price that can be charged for a copy of the program. Whether it blocks Debian or not isn't the point; if I make a CD with only analog, and charge $20,000 for it, then I'm violating the license, and that makes analog a

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: That requirement imposes a maximum price that can be charged for a copy of the program. Whether it blocks Debian or not isn't the point; if I make a CD with only analog, and charge $20,000 for it, then I'm violating the

Re: PROPOSED: interpretive guidelines regarding DFSG 3, modifiability, and invariant text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 03:24:00AM -0700, Richard Stallman wrote: This is not a very serious issue, since it isn't hard to rewrite a small amount of text. You can also refer to it with a hypertext link instead of copying it. s/\text\/code/ Would you still feel the same way? Perhaps the GNU

REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
[Debian Policy group: I am not sure if the Debian Policy Manual is an appropriate forum for any of the following material. I invite your opinions.] [Debian GNU Emacsen maintainers: I'd appreciate your assistance in some fact-finding; see particularly the end of this mail.] Summary: Per recent

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Sam Hartman
Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joey Moving on to the other objection, does you may not charge Joey for the program itself, only for reasonable costs of Joey distributing the program violate the DFSG? The DFSG Joey requires that a program's license not prevent sale of

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:52:06PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: Joey == Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joey Moving on to the other objection, does you may not charge Joey for the program itself, only for reasonable costs of Joey distributing the program violate the DFSG? The

How about a new section [partially free]?

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Uwe Gruettmueller
Hi, Debian people! I think that maybe manuals that only fail DFSG 2, 3 or 6 -- such as the Emacs Manual -- should not be classified as [non-free], but as something new, between [main] and [non-free], because, although they are not entirely free, they are at least freely redistributable by

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure how meaningful that statement (you may not charge for the program itself, only for reasonable costs of distributing the program) even is. What it certainly means, at least, is that you can't charge more than is reasonable--which is a

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
I thought there was general agreement that a proportional limit was better than a simple number. One disadvantage to a simple per-package limit is that you can defeat it by splitting something up into more packages. A proportional limit seems more sensible to me. Also, I think it should be a

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Uwe Gruettmueller
Hi Thomas! On Sunday, 2. December 2001 04:05, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I thought there was general agreement that a proportional limit was better than a simple number. One disadvantage to a simple per-package limit is that you can defeat it by splitting something up into more packages. A

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:51:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [Debian Policy group: I am not sure if the Debian Policy Manual is an appropriate forum for any of the following material. I invite your opinions.] -policy is traditionally for technical policy, which the DFSG isn't. A -legal

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 06:59:48PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: What it certainly means, at least, is that you can't charge more than is reasonable--which is a limitation. Historically, the Perl guys have finessed this point by defining reasonable as whatever the market will bear. In

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:14:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 05:51:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: [Debian Policy group: I am not sure if the Debian Policy Manual is an appropriate forum for any of the following material. I invite your opinions.] -policy is

Re: REVISED PROPOSAL regarding DFSG 3 and 4, licenses, and modifiable text

2001-12-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Dec 01, 2001 at 07:05:10PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: I thought there was general agreement that a proportional limit was better than a simple number. Maybe this is how you feel, but I so far haven't seen general agreement on anything. Especially now that Anthony Towns has

Re: FWD: Bug#121916: analog should be in non-free

2001-12-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think that the requirement you may not charge for distributing a modified version of the program unless the source code [...] is publicly and freely available violates the DFSG. It's not much different from the GPL's requirements that the source