Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does the GPL definition have to do with Debian? Perhaps you were unaware of it. Many Debian packages contain GPL'd elements. Thomas

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:59:27PM -0700, John Galt wrote: I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are actually already in source form. A Turing-complete system is one in which the behaviour of a universal Turing machine can be completely emulated. Er. That would

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does the GPL definition have to do with Debian? Perhaps

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? The context was not asking that question.

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are actually already in source form. If the GPL is in question, it gives a specific definition of source under which most postscript documents are not in source form. Thomas

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:59:27PM -0700, John Galt wrote: I submit since postscript is turing complete, postscript documents are actually already in source form. A Turing-complete system is one in which the behaviour of a universal Turing machine can

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am fully aware of the fact that Debian contains GPL'd stuff. But what does a GPL definition of source have to do with a DFSG 2 determination? The context was not asking that question. No, in context, the

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript document. I think we can just use the same one as the

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:15:41AM -0700, John Galt wrote: Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript document. The form of a

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On 17 Mar 2002, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to include a perlscript must necessarily include a postscript document.

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread John Galt
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 12:15:41AM -0700, John Galt wrote: Okay, provide a definition of source that includes interpretive languages such as Perl. I submit that any definition of source so broad as to include a perlscript must necessarily include a

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 01:14:50AM -0700, John Galt wrote: The form of a {program,document} that is intended for modification. This includes perl scripts (unless they've been run through an obfuscator), human-editable HTML, and human-editable PDF. It clearly doesn't include most generated

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 10:24:36AM +, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: I would also guess that in most cases the availability of source is irrelevant, because the academic paper isn't available under a DFSG-free licence anyway; most authors of academic papers don't want other people

Re: Preprints/Reprints of Academic Papers in Packages

2002-03-18 Thread Sam Hartman
John == John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John On 17 Mar 2002, Sam Hartman wrote: C == C M Connelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: C Many packages contain preprints or reprints of academic papers C as part of their documentation. In many cases, there is no C ``source''

[hugh@mimosa.com: RE: Bug#120759: jove doesn't seem to have an free license.]

2002-03-18 Thread Cord Beermann
Hi. would you comment on these two suggestions? are they ok for us? thanks, Cord PS: please Cc me on replies. - Forwarded message from D. Hugh Redelmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] - X-Envelope-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: D. Hugh Redelmeier

Source, Opaqueness, Transparency

2002-03-18 Thread Christopher Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Glenn Maynard) wrote: And we're back at the fact that source, like software, is hard to define, and sometimes it's even hard to tell intuitively. (With respect to exported HTML I suppose the original Word document is the source; but it hardly seems correct to call it that.)

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