Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-27 Thread starner
The Readme for VCG says: LICENSE CONDITIONS Copyright (C) 1993--1995 by Iris Lemke, Georg Sander, and the Compare Consortium This work is supported by the ESPRIT project 5399 Compare. We thank the Compare Consortium for the permission to

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 11:31:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Readme for VCG says: [...] We thank the Compare Consortium for the permission to distribute this software and documentation freely. You can redistribute it under the terms of the GNU General Public License

Re: LaTeX License?

2002-08-27 Thread C.M. Connelly
JL == Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] WL == Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] JL There's a new draft floating around. It also has JL problems, but is closer to what we need, and I think the JL problems can be worked out. I owe the LaTeX people an JL analysis, but have allowed

mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
After 5 months in Incoming, mindterm was rejected from the US archive due to possible license incompatabilities. The situation is pretty unclear so I'd appreciate advice. Mindterm is a ssh client implemented wholly in java. As a whole it is licensed under the GPL (later versions were taken

Re: non-software violates social contract?

2002-08-27 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Mon, 2002-08-26 at 20:32, Aaron Swartz wrote: I think it's clear that graphics fonts and documentation are not software. I think it's clear you don't work with fonts or documentation. Type1 and TrueType fonts are both Turing-complete language. Non-bitmapped fonts are described as a program

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 12:17, Joey Hess wrote: So, they took the DES code from the ssh 1.2.26 source code (note that that version of ssh was non-free as a whole; openbsd chose an earlier version to fork). They rewrote it in java, but it is still presumably a derivative work. I think

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 03:17:19PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: After 5 months in Incoming, mindterm was rejected from the US archive due to possible license incompatabilities. The situation is pretty unclear so I'd appreciate advice. [...] ssh-1.2.12

Re: New MP3 License Terms Demand $0.75 Per Decoder

2002-08-27 Thread Martin Schulze
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/08/27/1626241.shtml New MP3 License Terms Demand $0.75 Per Decoder *Posted by chrisd[1] on Tuesday August 27, @03:27PM* *from the good-thing-ogg-is-up-to-speed dept.* Götz[2] writes The licensing terms of Thomson and the Fraunhofer

Re: Bug#158529: vcg does not have a usable license

2002-08-27 Thread Malcolm Parsons
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 02:52:24PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I don't think it is distributable, and therefore not DFSG-free. While the copyright holder can certainly distribute obfuscated source and no one can tell him not to, the GNU GPL by which the licensees (i.e., we, and

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Walter Landry
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One file, DES.java, has the following comment: /** * * Copyright (c) 1998,99 by Mindbright Technology AB, Stockholm, Sweden. * www.mindbright.se, [EMAIL

Re: non-software violates social contract?

2002-08-27 Thread Alan Shutko
Joe Wreschnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Type1 and TrueType fonts are both Turing-complete language. [...] PDF and PS documentation formats are Turing-complete languages, Hmmm... I'm pretty sure neither PDF nor Type 1 are Turing-complete. PDF was designed as sort of a predigested version of PS,

Re: New MP3 License Terms Demand $0.75 Per Decoder

2002-08-27 Thread Clint Adams
3. http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html I wonder whether it's time to cease all mp3 players from Debian as well. FWIW, this licensing change occurred in mid-2001.

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
Walter Landry wrote: What is the license on the java modifications by Mindbright? The snippet above doesn't make it clear, but the usual custom is to place modifications under the same license as the original. In which case mindterm is still undistributable :( What java modifications? They

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: I wonder if it possible to reconstruct the existing mindterm code base from all the known DFSG-free code using a recipe. This recipe could then be handed to the FTP admins. Only if you have an automatic C to java translator program.. An example closer to home for you

Re: non-software violates social contract?

2002-08-27 Thread Aaron Swartz
On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 02:19 PM, Joe Wreschnig wrote: I think it's clear that graphics fonts and documentation are not software. I think it's clear you don't work with fonts or documentation. I work with both. I understand these complexities but I didn't really want to go into

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 07:32:36PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: I wonder if it possible to reconstruct the existing mindterm code base from all the known DFSG-free code using a recipe. This recipe could then be handed to the FTP admins. Only if you have an automatic C

Re: non-software violates social contract?

2002-08-27 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Please don't Cc me on list mail. On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 18:34, Aaron Swartz wrote: On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 02:19 PM, Joe Wreschnig wrote: I think it's clear that graphics fonts and documentation are not software. I think it's clear you don't work with fonts or documentation. I

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: This is what puzzled me about this question. If the old code was C and the new code is entirely Java, are there enough recognizable portions of the old code left to be able to call mindterm a derivative work of libdes? Algorithms are not copyrightable, and there are

Re: New MP3 License Terms Demand $0.75 Per Decoder

2002-08-27 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 10:59:41PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: I wonder whether it's time to cease all mp3 players from Debian as well. Heh, I just noticed this on the licensing page: Note: This license does not cover the right to distribute, broadcast and/or stream mp3 / mp3PRO encoded

Re: mindterm copyright (more opensslish stuff)

2002-08-27 Thread Walter Landry
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Landry wrote: What is the license on the java modifications by Mindbright? The snippet above doesn't make it clear, but the usual custom is to place modifications under the same license as the original. In which case mindterm is still

Re: Bug#158529: vcg does not have a usable license

2002-08-27 Thread Walter Landry
Malcolm Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The code can be de-uglified with a combination of this perl script, and indent(1L): --- #!/usr/bin/perl $text=; while(){ $text.=$_; } $text =~ s/\/\*[^\*]*;[^\*]*\*\///sg; $text =~