GUADAGNARE DAVVERO, LEGGI E CAPIRAI!!!!

2002-10-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAI ATTENZIONE PERCHE' CON QUESTO SISTEMA GUADAGNI DAVVERO ! (se il messaggio vi e' arrivato piu volte scusate ma, …leggetelo…..) Vorresti Davvero Guadagnare con Internet? Bene, la prima cosa da fare è salvare su disco questa pagina per averla a portata di mano anche se il tuo PC

Re: cadaver licensing issues: openssl and GPL again

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
In chiark.mail.debian.legal, you wrote: The current generation of BSD system libraries are all licensed in a GPL-compatible manner (BSD license w/o advertising clause). So this is not a problem unless they try to link gcc against something that has not=20 had the licensing clause removed, such

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] A) Is it feasible to have an old-BSD license based kernel and system libraries? This appears, on casual inspection, to qualify for the purpose of the GPL's 'system library' exception, in both spirit and letter, but I would hate to get bitten

GUADAGNARE DAVVERO ,LEGGI E CAPIRAI !!!!

2002-10-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAI ATTENZIONE PERCHE' CON QUESTO SISTEMA GUADAGNI DAVVERO ! (se il messaggio vi e' arrivato piu volte scusate ma, …leggetelo…..) Vorresti Davvero Guadagnare con Internet? Bene, la prima cosa da fare è salvare su disco questa pagina per averla a portata di mano anche se il tuo PC

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:08:38PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] A) Is it feasible to have an old-BSD license based kernel and system libraries? This appears, on casual inspection, to qualify for the

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:08:38PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless that component accompanies the executable. Traditionally we hold it to count as accompanying when the library as well as the

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
In chiark.mail.debian.legal, you wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless that component accompanies the executable. Traditionally we hold it to count as accompanying when the library as well as the GPL'ed stuff appears in Debian's main archive. I've argued that this is

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:49:29PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:08:38PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless that component accompanies the executable. Traditionally we

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] In chiark.mail.debian.legal, you wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless that component accompanies the executable. Traditionally we hold it to count as accompanying when the library as well as the GPL'ed stuff appears in

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) I assert that NetBSD's libc, while under a 4-clause license, qualifies under the GPL clause exempting system libraries from the linking limitations (that nailed OpenSSL and others). Which part of unless that component itself accompanies the executable

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:26:28PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) I assert that NetBSD's libc, while under a 4-clause license, qualifies under the GPL clause exempting system libraries from the linking limitations (that nailed OpenSSL and others).

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um, sorry for being slow, but what is a 4-clause BSD license? One that has positive as well as negative advertising clauses? After ~50 MB of downloads: Yes, that's what it is. A representative example from usr/src/lib/libc/gen/lockf.c in the NetBSD

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The clause quoted there has the number 3 attached to it. Again: What is the fourth clause of the license you're referring to? Or is there a zeroth clause? Take a look at http://www.closedbsd.org/pub/COPYRIGHT for an example. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:26:28PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: What is the fourth clause of the license you're referring to? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html has an example of the clause in question. The clause quoted there has the number 3 attached to it. Again: What is the

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:07:47PM -0600, Joel Baker wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:49:29PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:08:38PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless

New license of the fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Pedro Reina
Hello, Apostrophe. (I maintain all our previous words to help understand the new readers. Please excuse me the other readers). I am very aware of the lack of quality fonts in the open source community. In fact, over the past year or so I have been looking at different options of helping the

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:05:27PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: The system-library exception expressly only applies unless that component accompanies the executable. Traditionally we hold it to count as accompanying when the library as well as the GPL'ed stuff appears in Debian's main

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:21:20PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] This interpretation does seem to have the side effect of rendering NetBSD's distribution of gcc (for instance), uhm, interesting. It would seem so, but it's not easy for to find the

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 14:44, Henning Makholm wrote: The mind boggles. How does one abide with (3) without breaking (4)? The notice in (3) is a statement of fact, not an endorsement.

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2002-10-15 Thread Alfred Savimbi
Dear Sir, My proposal to you will be very surprising, as we have not had any personal contact. However, I sincerely seek yourconfidence in this transaction, which I propose to you as a person of transparency and caliber. Let me first start by introducing myself properly to you. My name is

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
In chiark.mail.debian.legal, you wrote: Scripsit Joel Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) I assert that NetBSD's libc, while under a 4-clause license, qualifies under the GPL clause exempting system libraries from the linking limitations (that nailed OpenSSL and others). Which part of unless that

Re: Bug#164874: mobilemesh: recommends non-free package

2002-10-15 Thread Mark Purcell
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 06:47:37PM +0100, James Troup wrote: Blah, hit the wrong key in lisa. You're recommending a non-free package (graphviz) which violates policy (2.1). Either it needs to be a suggestion or the package belongs in contrib. Ah yes thanks for that. When I first built the

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2002-10-15 Thread Alfred Savimbi
Dear Sir, My proposal to you will be very surprising, as we have not had any personal contact. However, I sincerely seek yourconfidence in this transaction, which I propose to you as a person of transparency and caliber. Let me first start by introducing myself properly to you. My name is

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:03:27PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: Has anyone actually asked RMS what his intention here was? I don't know, but I can think of no other way to make sense of the unless part. See my full reasoning in the list archives at

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2002-10-15 Thread Alfred Savimbi
Dear Sir, My proposal to you will be very surprising, as we have not had any personal contact. However, I sincerely seek yourconfidence in this transaction, which I propose to you as a person of transparency and caliber. Let me first start by introducing myself properly to you. My name is

Courier package: GPL vs OpenSSL license

2002-10-15 Thread Stefan Hornburg
Hello, I'm maintainer of the Courier packages. The upstream source is copylefted by GPL. Parts of it link against OpenSSL. I saw some messages that stated these licenses are incompatible. However, I read in the Open-SSL FAQ: On many systems including the major Linux and BSD distributions,

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:26:28PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The clause quoted there has the number 3 attached to it. Again: What is the fourth clause of the license you're referring to? Or is there a zeroth clause? Holy cow, your are powerfully ignorant.

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:44:54PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software *must display the following acknowledgement: *This product includes software developed by the NetBSD *Foundation, Inc. and its

Re: New license of the fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Walter Landry
Pedro Reina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all the three examples, we arise the same point: the license of your team work is great, but is not 100% compatible with our guidelines about free software. And I think, my friend, that we all think pretty much the same way about what freedom must

Re: New license of the fonts

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
I do have a few concerns however, and hopefully you and your free software associates would be able to help me reach a solution for proper licensing of whatever I want to donate to the community. [...] My only concern with making any lab fonts public domain is the possibility of people

Re: Bug#164874: mobilemesh: recommends non-free package

2002-10-15 Thread Walter Landry
Mark Purcell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On my fifth reading of the licence I don't think the copyright assignment is actually an issue, but I did initially: 3.The Mobile Mesh software is covered by the GNU General Public License (Version 2). If you transmit source code improvements or

Re: Courier package: GPL vs OpenSSL license

2002-10-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:41:22AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg wrote: I'm maintainer of the Courier packages. The upstream source is copylefted by GPL. Parts of it link against OpenSSL. I saw some messages that stated these licenses are incompatible. However, I read in the Open-SSL FAQ: snip

Re: Bug#164874: mobilemesh: recommends non-free package

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 07:46:45AM +1000, Mark Purcell wrote: On my fifth reading of the licence I don't think the copyright assignment is actually an issue, but I did initially: 3.The Mobile Mesh software is covered by the GNU General Public License (Version 2). If you transmit source

Re: Courier package: GPL vs OpenSSL license

2002-10-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 07:58:46PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 01:41:22AM +0200, Stefan Hornburg wrote: I asked the upstream author and he told me that he has certainly no problem with linking Courier against OpenSSL. He won't make the mentioned exemption, because

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 09:26:28PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: The clause quoted there has the number 3 attached to it. Again: What is the fourth clause of the license you're referring to? Or is there a zeroth clause? Holy cow, your are

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do we know for a fact that: a) the FSF is aware that the NetBSD folks ships gcc with their operating system, b) the FSF is aware that the NetBSD code that gcc links against is still old-style BSD, c) the FSF has *explicitly stated* that

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright *notice, this list of

Re: Regarding linux-kernel-conf and Qt

2002-10-15 Thread John Galt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 14 Oct 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 03:05:19PM +0200, Henning Makholm wrote: Debian has simply refrained from distributing some programs which had code covered by the GPL yet linked to Qt at a time where