Re: MySQL licensing and OpenSSL linking issues

2003-06-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 01:08:21PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:25:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: Other than that issue, I think this would nicely address Debian's needs. I'm pleased to see MySQL AB taking this step to clarify the license of the client

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread J.D. Hood
The idea of writing a single license for both software and documentation (i.e., for content) is a good one. Perhaps this could be done in GPL version 4. I would hope that in extending it, the beauty of the current GPL is preserved. What is beautiful about the GPL is that it grants the licensee

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Richard Stallman
GPL 3 is not at the stage to ask for public comments.

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Richard Stallman
Can someone remind me how exactly the license above is incompatible with the GNU GPL? Each one is a copyleft. The GPL says the combined work must be under the GPL. The simple license says the combined work must be under that license. Both cannot be true at once.

Re: Proposed: Debian's Five Freedoms for Free Works

2003-06-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
4) The freedom to change the Work for any purpose[1], to distribute one's changes, and to distribute the Work in modified form. Access to the form of the work which is preferred for making modifications, if applicable, is a precondition for this. OK, so there's lots of argument about

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Saturday, Jun 14, 2003, at 07:03 US/Eastern, Richard Braakman That's a lot easier than Here's a Debian CD. And here's my solemn promise to provide source CDs for this Debian version to anyone who asks for the next three years. Please wait while I go buy a CD burner. (Note that 2(c) is

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
RMS said: GPL 3 is not at the stage to ask for public comments. Rumor has it that it will contain loads of stuff which Debian considers non-free. This is a *problem*. The FDL public comment period resulted in *no* significant changes due to the public comments. RMS has declared that he has

Re: Proposed: Debian's Five Freedoms for Free Works

2003-06-15 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sunday, Jun 15, 2003, at 12:45 US/Eastern, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Deliberately obfusticated or encrypted forms and program-generated forms are *not* preferred forms for making modifications. Program-generated forms can become the preferred form. Its certainly possible to use

Re: Proposed: Debian's Five Freedoms for Free Works

2003-06-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:57:13AM -0400, Greg Pomerantz wrote: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that the controlling preference is that of the person who last modified the Work and distributed it in that modified form. Anyone downstream from that person would have to

Re: Defining 'preferred form for making modifications'

2003-06-15 Thread Sam Hartman
J == J D Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J I suggest that the definition of 'preferred form for making J modifications' be information-theoretical. Why? What real-world problem does this solve? Have we actually run into situations where it was not obvious in a particular instance what

Re: Defining 'preferred form for making modifications'

2003-06-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 05:15:14PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Why? What real-world problem does this solve? Have we actually run into situations where it was not obvious in a particular instance what the preferred form for modifications was? I know of one thorny problem in this area: many

Re: Defining 'preferred form for making modifications'

2003-06-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 07:47:32PM +0100, J.D. Hood wrote: I suggest that the definition of 'preferred form for making modifications' be information-theoretical. When source code is compiled into binary code there is a loss of information, as indicated by the fact that you cannot get the

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Nathanael Nerode
RMS said: Reiser's statement was inaccurate. For GPL version 3 we are considering requirements for preserving certain limited author information in the source code, and making explicit that other GPL-compatible licenses that are present on parts of the code cannot be removed from the source, but

Re: Proposed: Debian's Five Freedoms for Free Works

2003-06-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 01:28:18PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: The first question seems to be the more important one to this discussion, since being able to use/compile/edit the software is more fundamental than being able to redistribute it in modified form. FWIW, I disagree with this

Re: A single unified license

2003-06-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 08:10:12PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: I look forward to read a draft of the GPL v3, since Hans Reiser did mention that the equivalent of 'Invariant Sections' would be added in the forthcoming GPL v3. Reiser's statement was inaccurate. For GPL version