Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Gabucino
Glenn Maynard wrote: So this is not a problem - again. (I've had enough of Gabucino. Re-plonk.) Please no flames. If you think I'm wrong in something, please point me to the facts. -- Gabucino MPlayer Core Team pgpPT9Lajhrv8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Gabucino
Gabucino wrote: I wonder if there's still any obstacle in the way of MPlayer's inclusion into Debian. Please list _actual_ licensing problems of MPlayer so we can discuss them - the purpose this list exists for. The following issues' discussion has started so far: - libavcodec's possible

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tuesday 07 October 2003 19:26, Gabucino wrote: Don Armstrong wrote: d, libmpeg2 - We - the core developers - do not intend to waste time searching for modification dates and such (nor do we know what exactly you wish for), All that's needed is to comply with GPL 2a [and

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thursday 09 October 2003 14:24, Gabucino wrote: Gabucino wrote: I wonder if there's still any obstacle in the way of MPlayer's inclusion into Debian. Please list _actual_ licensing problems of MPlayer so we can discuss them - the purpose this list exists for. The following issues'

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The trademark restrictions could probably be written in such a way as to fall under the spirit of the if you change it, don't call it foo allowances. We just need to be wary of any precarious slopes in doing so. Agreed.

Re: committee for FSF-Debian discussion

2003-10-09 Thread Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-01 13:29]: I don't have any problems with Don personally, but I personally would rather we had a full-fledged Debian Developer as our other delegate to this committee. Branden and I have spoken about this on IRC a few days ago, but I also wanted to

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Gabucino
Mike Hommey wrote: You forgot the non-respect of the license of the libraries included in mplayer (you know, the thing having been brought in another branch of this thread). I've checked the thread, but must have skimmed over it. Which is the library in question? -- Gabucino MPlayer Core Team

GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Several parts of the GFDL (e.g., 4b, 4i) seem to prohibit anonymous modifications to a document. Quoting 4b: List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version, If this

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Several parts of the GFDL (e.g., 4b, 4i) seem to prohibit anonymous modifications to a document. Quoting 4b: List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-10-09, Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several parts of the GFDL (e.g., 4b, 4i) seem to prohibit anonymous modifications to a document. Quoting 4b: List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So I wonder how it would be possible for a license to be valid with an anonymous copyright holder. So, use a pseudonym. This is only a problem if you live in a country where it is illegal to use a pseudonym and you are very law-abiding dissident and cannot bring

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 11:49 US/Eastern, Mathieu Roy wrote: A license is valid because there is a known copyright holder that explicitely said that his work can be distributed under this license. So I wonder how it would be possible for a license to be valid with an anonymous copyright

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 12:05 US/Eastern, Dylan Thurston wrote: Surely an entity is lose enough to include, say, a Chinese Dissident Collective created on the spot. I don't know if an entity has to be a legally-recognized entity (e.g., a corporation) or not --- hence the question mark

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wednesday, Oct 8, 2003, at 02:20 US/Eastern, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: No, the list includes outline fonts. These outline fonts adopt TYPEBANK font as a starting point of desigining. In the US, the font itself (the idea of the shape of the characters, their spacing, etc.) can't be

Re: MPlayer DFSG compatibility status

2003-10-09 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, Oct 7, 2003, at 20:53 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: That's irrelevant if they actually own the patent: the goal is not to avoid getting sued, it's to avoid breaking the law. With the number of software patents out there, if the goal is not to break the law (instead of not

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 09 Oct 2003 17:49:36 +0200, Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [Funny to see how some people here are more interested in finding new issues before making any constructive proposal to fix the existing ones I have been reliably informed by the author of the license that the

Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Michael D Schleif
OK, this is my first foray into a sale-able product, based on `free' software. I am working with a company that is writing software that is to be sold to their customers. I have specified Debian as the OS on which this all runs; so, here I am on this list to learn the ropes of `free' software.

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Måns Rullgård
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The copyright holder can be an individual or a group, but in any case an entity recognized by the law. Sure. But he doesn't have to identify himself, and certainly not by his actual name. I've seen lots of files copyrighted by Monty or

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Thursday, Oct 9, 2003, at 11:49 US/Eastern, Mathieu Roy wrote: A license is valid because there is a known copyright holder that explicitely said that his work can be distributed under this license. So I wonder how it would be possible

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) a tapoté : Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The copyright holder can be an individual or a group, but in any case an entity recognized by the law. Sure. But he doesn't have to identify himself, and certainly not by his actual name.

Re: GFDL and Anonymity --- another problem?

2003-10-09 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The copyright holder can be an individual or a group, but in any case an entity recognized by the law. Sure. But he doesn't have to identify himself, and certainly not by his actual name. I've

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-10-09 20:01:36 +0100 Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My client wants to retain all rights to their software, and is not willing to release their software in any `free' software fashion. ...so this isn't a question about the licence of something that can be in Debian? I

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 02:01:36PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: OK, this is my first foray into a sale-able product, based on `free' software. Congratulations. I am working with a company that is writing software that is to be sold to their customers. I have specified Debian as the OS on

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 05:01:55PM -0700, David Schleef wrote: My client wants to retain all rights to their software, and is not willing to release their software in any `free' software fashion. Also, in order to manage problems and maintain SLA's, this software is to be sold as an

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Oct 10, 2003 at 01:09:49AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: ...so this isn't a question about the licence of something that can be in Debian? I suspect debian-legal is not the best list for this. I think questions like this are reasonable for this list, as long as people don't expect a response,

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Michael D Schleif
David Schleef [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:09:17:01:55-0700] scribed: On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 02:01:36PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: OK, this is my first foray into a sale-able product, based on `free' software. Congratulations. I am working with a company that is writing software

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Michael D Schleif
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003:10:10:01:09:49+0100] scribed: On 2003-10-09 20:01:36 +0100 Michael D Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My client wants to retain all rights to their software, and is not willing to release their software in any `free' software fashion. ...so this isn't a

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:03:35PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: There are other things to watch out for, but you not modifying the source of Debian packages, so it shouldn't matter. Basically, since we are _not_ modifying source to any software, I had always thought that this is a

Re: Licensing requirements ???

2003-10-09 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 08:03:35PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote: I am not aware of any MySQL problems; can you give a pointer to what you are concerned about? Especially Section 3: http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html As I understand it, this falls under linking with a GPL