Re: about licenses for 3D models

2004-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:42:38PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: [CCing you because of the address in the To: field; apologies if you didn't want the CC] On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 02:54:16PM +0200, Jiba wrote: About a character 3D model, I am wondering if such a statement can occur in a free

Re: Question about DFSG and a THC project

2004-04-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:55:30PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Jake Appelbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LICENCE FOR HYDRA (all version) by van Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. This software comes with no warrenty or promised features. If

Re: about licenses for 3D models

2004-04-22 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 12:26:33AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 11:42:38PM +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote: [CCing you because of the address in the To: field; apologies if you didn't want the CC] On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 02:54:16PM +0200, Jiba wrote: About a

SEPL (Swiss Ephemeris Public License)

2004-04-22 Thread Joshua Tacoma
(not only am INAL, I also have no experience developing debian packages, and this may grow into my first one) I am looking at packaging the Swiss Ephemeris: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/?lang=e It's available under two licenses: one (free) for Open Source use, the other ($) for commercial

Re: SEPL (Swiss Ephemeris Public License)

2004-04-22 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
Joshua Tacoma said on Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 02:58:34AM -0400,: I am looking at packaging the Swiss Ephemeris: You are not the only one. Jaldhar H. Vyas tried before. : You must ensure that all recipients of machine-executable forms of these items are also able to receive and use

Re: Question about DFSG and a THC project

2004-04-22 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:55:30PM -0400, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Jake Appelbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LICENCE FOR HYDRA (all version) by van Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. This software

Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-22 Thread Roland Stigge
[Sorry, resending previously unfinished report.] Hi, today I read that Alan Kay will receive this years's Turing Award[1] and checked out his Open Source project Squeak[2]. I also realized that there is an open RFP for it[3]. The package is supposed to be free, but when I checked the license[4]

Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-22 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, today I read that Alan Kay will receive this years's Turing Award[1] and checked out his Open Source project Squeak[2]. I also realized that there is an open RFP for it[3]. The package is supposed to be free, but when I checked the license[4] and the package files, I encountered the following

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Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-22 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
The font issues seem serious, and it is likely that Debian would have to ship Squeak without the non-free Apple fonts. (4) The distributed files squeak.changes and squeak.image, both around 10MB, are shipped in binary form. I wonder if there should be source code to create them initially. (See

DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Here's the draft summary of the OSL2.0 I promised. Comments requested. Specifically: Regarding the patent clause: Sam Hartman, you Anders Torger (the upstream licensor) were the only two I saw while going back over the thread that felt it wasn't a problem. Is my characterization of that issue

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Humberto Massa
@ 22/04/2004 16:31 : wrote Jeremy Hankins : Here's the draft summary of the OSL2.0 I promised. Comments requested. Specifically: Regarding the patent clause: Sam Hartman, you Anders Torger (the upstream licensor) were the only two I saw while going back over the thread that felt it wasn't a

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Andreas Barth
* Humberto Massa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040422 22:25]: @ 22/04/2004 16:31 : wrote Jeremy Hankins : Here's the draft summary of the OSL2.0 I promised. Comments requested. Specifically: Regarding the patent clause: Sam Hartman, you Anders Torger (the upstream licensor) were the only two I

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, Humberto Massa wrote: - Item #5 External Deployment places distribution-like burdens on deployment. E.g., when the Work is made available over a network source must be distributed. This amounts to forced distribution (DFSG ??). This fails the desert island test;

Re: Question about DFSG and a THC project

2004-04-22 Thread Sam Hartman
Thinking more about this issue, I've come up with an example that I thin illustrates how we have accepted similar sloppiness in the past. I suspect we would accept and have accepted a copyright at the top of a file that said roughly: Copyright 2003 by the Evil Empire, Inc. This software can be

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Humberto Massa
@ 22/04/2004 18:26 : wrote Andreas Barth : Of course we can discriminate - like the GPL does. Cheers, Andi no, no, the GPL discriminates what you do with the specific piece of software you are redistributing or its derived works, not if you are or not distributing other software, that is

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Lewis Jardine
Andreas Barth wrote: deploying software without providing source is a field of endeavour, and we can't discriminate against it, or else no Debian user can produce proprietary software. Of course we can discriminate - like the GPL does. The GPL discriminates against distribution without

Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-04-22 Thread Lex Spoon
Agreed on all counts, Brian. I actually think Squeak should go into non-free on Debian, once the fonts are removed from the image. I've been meaning to develop a message to debian-legal about this for quite a while, and now Roland's post and Alan Kay's Turing award seem to be creating a good

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] The bigger issue, though, is that I didn't provide a DFSG section for the first problem. The closest the DFSG comes to prohibiting use restrictions is #6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor), but I'm uncomfortable using that for this issue

Re: Freepats

2004-04-22 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM +1000, Brian May wrote: I would suggest you use the GPL, and add a note somewhere that you interpret the GPL as above. If anyone disagrees with your interpretation (and so far nobody has), then the issue can be resolved at that time. To do this, you could

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The discussion of The Affero License in the debian-legal archives may be relevant. The Affero license (or clause in a possible GPL 3, or whatever) actually does restrict modification, because it says that you can't remove quine-like code from the work.

Re: Freepats

2004-04-22 Thread Brian May
Ryan == Ryan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ryan I don't seem to be getting mail from the BTS on this bug. You weren't listed in your mail-followup-to header, but I CCed you anyway. Hmmm, I guess I should have CCed you at the start, sorry about that (the BTS doesn't automatically send

Re: DRAFT d-l summary of the OSL v2.0

2004-04-22 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Scripsit Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] The bigger issue, though, is that I didn't provide a DFSG section for the first problem. The closest the DFSG comes to prohibiting use restrictions is #6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor), but

Re: Freepats

2004-04-22 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:43:10AM +1000, Brian May wrote: Ryan Anyway, it seemed to me that the Creative Commons licenses Ryan would be more appropriate since they were specifically Ryan designed to cover media: Ryan This one is just a MIT-ish license: Ryan

Re: Freepats

2004-04-22 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Ryan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM +1000, Brian May wrote: I would suggest you use the GPL, and add a note somewhere that you interpret the GPL as above. If anyone disagrees with your interpretation (and so far nobody has), then the issue can be

Re: Freepats

2004-04-22 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Ryan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't seem to be getting mail from the BTS on this bug. Anyway, it seemed to me that the Creative Commons licenses would be more appropriate since they were specifically designed to cover media: This one is just a MIT-ish license: