Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-05-05 Thread Walter Landry
Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 05:56:15PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] The term under your direct control typically does not refer to physical access or knowledge of the root

CA certificates (was: Re: Mass bug filing: Cryptographic protection against modification)

2004-05-05 Thread Florian Weimer
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 04 May 2004, Florian Weimer wrote: A few packages contain software (well, everything's software these days) which is cryptographically protected against modification. This seems to violate DFSG §3. Uh, if you're refering to the PGP keys and

Artistic licensed program building against OpenSSL

2004-05-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
Hi, [[ Please Cc me on replies, I'm not subscribed ]] I'm looking at packaging up elfsign, see WNPP #247427. This is licensed under the Artistic license, however uses OpenSSL's engine.h to build. Does this present any issues? regards Andrew signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Surprise Invitation

2004-05-05 Thread Ned Bourgeois
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Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

2004-05-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find it unlikely that people intelligent enough to write software as complex as Apache, Sendmail, Linux, Thunderbird, etc. would license their software under a license they haven't fully read, or don't fully understand. I (and, in my opinion, any

Re: CA certificates

2004-05-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've digged a bit more, and VeriSign actually has a license governing the *use* of their certificates (including the root and intermediate certificates): https://www.verisign.com/repository/rpa.html The license seems to violate DFSG §6. It also

Re: CA certificates

2004-05-05 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's an interesting question. Is a public key copyrightable? In other words, does VeriSign have any legal grounds to restrict use of their public keys at all? They might do in some jurisdictions, but I would guess that in most they don't. The public key is

Re: CA certificates

2004-05-05 Thread Niklas Vainio
On Tue, May 04, 2004 at 11:52:39PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There's an interesting question. Is a public key copyrightable? In other words, does VeriSign have any legal grounds to restrict use of their public keys at all? My understanding is that copyright laws speak about original works

Re: Bug#247427: ITP: elfsign -- ELF binary signing and verification utilities

2004-05-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 12:24:00PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: The original Artistic license is not appropriate for licensing anything that is not approximately perl, because of the way it is worded. It is a terrible license. Do not use it. It's also highly questionable as to whether

Re: Bug#247427: ITP: elfsign -- ELF binary signing and verification utilities

2004-05-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 09:58:35PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 12:24:00PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: The original Artistic license is not appropriate for licensing anything that is not approximately perl, because of the way it is worded. It is a terrible

Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

2004-05-05 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The GPL is actually a rather interesting case here, since it *does* require the preservation of credits, and in a way that I believe Debian finds acceptably free. 2c of the GPL is actually somewhat controversial. I don't know whether anyone actually

Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

2004-05-05 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | 2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion | of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and | distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 | above, provided that you also meet all of these

Poly/ML license

2004-05-05 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings! Is the following DFSG free? Take care, -- Camm Maguire[EMAIL PROTECTED] == The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens. -- Baha'u'llah

Re: RE: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

2004-05-05 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Tue, May 04, 2004, à 01:18:35PM -0600, Burnes, James a écrit: 4. How about this for a self-referential solution to the problem. In ReiserV4, you could view the ReiserV4 credits by simply looking at the credits meta properties in reiser4.o or any other software. Sounds like a good idea

Re: Poly/ML license

2004-05-05 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-05-05 14:41:23 +0100 Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! Is the following DFSG free? No, it forces disclosure upstream. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200207/msg00011.html I am researching free software licences written for UK law at the

Re: Poly/ML license

2004-05-05 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings! MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2004-05-05 14:41:23 +0100 Camm Maguire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! Is the following DFSG free? No, it forces disclosure upstream. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200207/msg00011.html OK, thanks! I am

Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-05-05 Thread Lex Spoon
Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that it is extremely unlikely was only part of the argument. There is also that we are only liable to the extent that our distribution is involved in the case. Further, we can choose to defend the

moosic package contains obfuscated code

2004-05-05 Thread Nicolas Évrard
Hello, I've been playing with oggplayer recently and I've found moosic taht is written in python. I've tried to see what's in it and I inteded to play with it. But, the moosic python module appeared to be obfuscated. It seems to be the choice of upstream since the makefile in the original tgz

Re: Squeak in Debian?

2004-05-05 Thread Walter Landry
Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lex Spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that it is extremely unlikely was only part of the argument. There is also that we are only liable to the extent that our distribution is involved in the case.

Re: RFC: Debian License Information on www.debian.org

2004-05-05 Thread Frank Lichtenheld
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 01:00:50PM -0600, doug jensen wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2004 at 03:49:34AM +0200, Frank Lichtenheld wrote: Please take a look and comment. The pages are currently not linked nor mentioned on the rest of the website. I will add this after giving you some time for

Re: moosic package contains obfuscated code

2004-05-05 Thread Joe Wreschnig
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 19:40, Nicolas Évrard wrote: Hello, I've been playing with oggplayer recently and I've found moosic taht is written in python. I've tried to see what's in it and I inteded to play with it. But, the moosic python module appeared to be obfuscated. Moosic is not

Re: moosic package contains obfuscated code

2004-05-05 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Nicolas =?iso-8859-15?Q?=C9vrard?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I was wondering, since this is problem is only with the binary package should I file a bug against moosic stating that obfuscating is an error or does it seems an acceptable policy to your eyes ? If the source package contains

Re: Bug#247427: ITP: elfsign -- ELF binary signing and verification utilities

2004-05-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 12:24:00PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: The original Artistic license is not appropriate for licensing anything that is not approximately perl, because of the way it is worded. It is a terrible license. Do not use it. It's also highly questionable as to whether

Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?

2004-05-05 Thread David Masover
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 First and foremost: Hans, this is your project. Someone willing to replace entire APIs with things that feel like files is obviously not afraid of creating something new. So at the end of the day, it shouldn't matter too much that it's in Debian