Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in

2004-06-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 03:27:28 +0200 Thiemo Seufer wrote: It would (if correct) make a lot of current copyright infringement (or as it is sometimes called software piracy) legitimate. Since I'm not distributing the source code (which is the original work of authorship), just a mechanical

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in

2004-06-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 12:52:15PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: The act of compiling source code into binary does not *add* creative elements to the original work, hence the law says that this act cannot *add* copyright holders to the work. That depends on the compiling process. Consider, for

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Benjamin Cutler
Evan Prodromou wrote: I think that it's a mistake to say that an interpreter or emulator depends on the data blobs it interprets, in the Debian sense of dependence. That's all well and good, but obviously somebody (presumably somebody important) somewhere disagrees, or it wouldn't have

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Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in

2004-06-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:16:53 -0400 Raul Miller wrote: Consider, for example, building emacs against a third party supplied proprietary libc. That would possibly require modifying Emacs source code and that's the creative act (it would create a derivative work, no doubt about that). OTOH, when

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in the kernel package?

2004-06-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:26:05 -0500 Joe Wreschnig wrote: [...] I agree with Michael Poole insofar as this message. I agree too. Here's an attempt at an unbiased summary: There are four classes of firmware: 1. Firmware which no one has any permission to distribute. These have to go

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in the kernel package?

2004-06-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:06:37 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: I would argue that while the new Social Contract makes it unambiguously clear that the DFSG applies to non-programs (such as documentation, etc), both the old and new Social Contracts clearly apply to software. While it has been

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:47:53 -0400 Evan Prodromou wrote: Perhaps my choice of words was poor, but I think that emulators fall into their own class of software because they rely on what is generally commercial, non-free (and honestly, quite probably illegal) software in order to run, which

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in

2004-06-20 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 04:32:00PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: OTOH, when you issue the classical $ ./configure $ make commands, you are not performing any creative act. Do you agree? What makes this particular point in time significant? -- Raul

Re: How long is it acceptable to leave *undistributable* files in

2004-06-20 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 10:32, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:16:53 -0400 Raul Miller wrote: Consider, for example, building emacs against a third party supplied proprietary libc. That would possibly require modifying Emacs source code and that's the creative act (it would

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Evan Prodromou
On Sun, 2004-06-20 at 11:50, Benjamin Cutler wrote: I think that it's a mistake to say that an interpreter or emulator depends on the data blobs it interprets, in the Debian sense of dependence. That's all well and good, but obviously somebody (presumably somebody important) somewhere

cc65 license check -- main or non-free?

2004-06-20 Thread Benjamin Cutler
So, yeah, I'm out looking for a useful piece of emulation related software to package, and I found a 65xxx compiler assembler. Parts of it are licensed under what looks like a subset of the GPL with one small change that may make it non-free, and the rest under what appears to be the zlib

cc65 license check -- main or non-free?

2004-06-20 Thread Benjamin Cutler
Ok, I have NO idea how that got threaded into the VBA thread, so let's try that again... I'm out looking for a useful piece of emulation related software to package, and I found a 65xxx compiler assembler. Parts of it are licensed under what looks like a subset of the GPL with one small

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 06:36:42PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: I think that DFSG-free emulators should be in main as long as they don't *depend* on non-free packages. Usefulness is, IMHO, a completely different matter. Because, of course, more useless software in main is exactly what we want.

Re: cc65 license check -- main or non-free?

2004-06-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 05:21:10PM -0600, Benjamin Cutler wrote: I'm out looking for a useful piece of emulation related software to package, and I found a 65xxx compiler assembler. Parts of it are licensed under what looks like a subset of the GPL with one small change that may make it

Unterminated sentence at webwml/english/legal/licenses/dls-007-opl.wml

2004-06-20 Thread Gustavo R. Montesino
Hi, The last item at the summary in the mentioned page seems to be missing some words at the end: This clause is much too broad, and restricts all the freedoms that the/li -- Gustavo R. Montesino GPG Key BACAB6C2

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Matthew Palmer wrote: Let me ask you this: if there was an image viewer, which only viewed one format of images, and there were no images out there in that format, would you want to see that in Debian? What if there were images in that format, but in order to get them you'd have to break

Re: cc65 license check -- main or non-free?

2004-06-20 Thread Benjamin Cutler
Ok, just to see, I did a diff on any files that looked like they might have been derived from the other... none of them matched a SINGLE LINE OF CODE, except for silly things like opening/closing braces and a couple of #include lines, and a comment or two. So I think that the source archive I

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Billy Biggs
J.B. Nicholson-Owens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): The litmus test here is a significant amount of functionality, not will refuse to work at all without it, although that's a fairly good description of a console without a ROM. Would one ROM cut it, then? I am working to determine if one ROM is

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-06-20 Thread Benjamin Cutler
J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Would one ROM cut it, then? I am working to determine if one ROM is available under a DFSG-free license right now. I don't have much to report yet except thanks to those who have supplied information to help me track down the copyright holder. I should know

historical question about fceu in contrib

2004-06-20 Thread Evan Prodromou
Joe, Just a quick note to ask you about the fceu Debian package, as its story kind of relates to some existing software in contrib. In this message to debian-legal: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/01/msg00128.html you said: I currently maintain an NES