Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, if you take the source code to GCC and format it into the shape of a Coca Cola trademark, then you can't use it for selling soft drinks. Does this mean that GCC is not free? No, no more than the fact that you can't modify the source

symlinks package non-free?

2004-09-24 Thread Martin Dickopp
Hello, The source of the symlinks package consists of a makefile, a manual page, a C file, and an lsm file. None of the three former contains a header with copyright and/or license information. The latter contains the following lines: CopyPolicy1 =(c) Mark Lord, freely distributable

libdvdcss legal status [was: Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub]

2004-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:06:34 -0700 Josh Triplett wrote: See also libdvdcss, a piece of software that is Free Software in all jurisdictions except the United States, in which its use is restricted by ridiculous laws. If you are referring to DMCA, I'm afraid that EUCD is very much similar in

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:14:08 +0100 Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Trademark problems only arise when the image is used in a particular way. I would think that Debian is not obliged to and cannot give permission for all possible uses of Debian software.

Re: MTL license

2004-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:20:09 -0400 Nathanael Nerode wrote: And if you're going to make a new one, consult debian-legal, cause we're sufficiently paranoid. ;-) Indeed. And, as you may already know, Paranoy is a virtue. -- Anonymous :-) -- | GnuPG Key ID = DD6DFCF4 | $

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Josh Triplett
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, if you take the source code to GCC and format it into the shape of a Coca Cola trademark, then you can't use it for selling soft drinks. Does this mean that GCC is not free? No, no more than the fact that you

Re: symlinks package non-free?

2004-09-24 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-24 17:28:29 +0100 Martin Dickopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What should I do now? Report a bug against symlinks? Probably, yes, but I suggest starting licence needs clarification bug rather than this is non-free you evil people as it's just not clear what freely distributable

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Trademark problems only arise when the image is used in a particular way. I would think that Debian is not obliged to and cannot give permission for all possible uses of Debian software. We most certainly can and should. We can't give permission for

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please note that I did not say that a work is non-free if it can be transformed to contain a trademarked item, any more than a work is non-free if it can be transformed to contain a copyrighted work to which we don't have a Free license, such as the source

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Josh Triplett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The trademark rights are entirely separate, and there's no reason for Debian to license them in any way other than Free for use if there's no confusion with Debian, either because they refer to Debian or because they're in a domain where Debian does no

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2004-09-24 Thread Raul Miller
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: But trademarks are names. That's all they are -- not necessarily in roman characters or pronounceable, but names nonetheless. On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:50:37PM -0700, Josh Triplett wrote: That's a huge leap, and I seriously doubt it was intended by the