Re: OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nathanael Nerode wrote: > > > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > > > >> [snipped lots of stuff where we agree] > > > > I agreed with everything you said. So I won't make this message long -- > > it started out as a whole lot of your paragraphs w

Re: Bug#310994: ITP: openttd -- open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe"

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [more stuff where we agree] > > Basically harmless, if TTD is abandonware; > Consider that it has an official "successor" by the same author. Oh, but > copyright a different company. Do you think maybe he plagarized himself? > (Just to throw

Re: OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Michael K. Edwards wrote: > >> [snipped lots of stuff where we agree] > > I agreed with everything you said. So I won't make this message long -- > it started out as a whole lot of your paragraphs with "I agree with you" > after each one. :-) Oh, right. I did want t

Re: OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > [snipped lots of stuff where we agree] I agreed with everything you said. So I won't make this message long -- it started out as a whole lot of your paragraphs with "I agree with you" after each one. :-) -- This space intentionally left blank. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
[snipped lots of stuff where we agree] On 5/31/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I care less about OpenTTD in particular (I wouldn't touch it because of the > dependence anyway, even though I have TTD) than about the application of > the principles to other games. That's why I gav

Re: GFDL redux, all over again, yet another time

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Raul Miller wrote: > While looking up laws this morning, to answer a question someone asked > about the GFDL, I noticed something: 17 USC 1201 grants the copyright > holder the right to authorize that technological measures be bypassed. > > The current GFDL trys to prevent any distribution of GF

Re: More about GFDL

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > El Viernes 22 Abril 2005 14:37, Maciej Dems escribió: >> I have a simple question concerning the GFDL discussion. >> >> Does the GFDL documentation which currently does not contain any >> invariant section have to go to non-free as well? Yes, until the GFDL is revi

Re: broadcom proposed firmware licence, please comment ...

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Andres Salomon wrote: > As I remember, upstream (jgarzik/davem) was not overly interested in such > a patch to tg3. Is this still the case, or are they amenable to such > changes? Upstream was not interested in legal niceties like including copyright statements, either. I suppose both are still t

Re: [Fwd: Re: Concerns about works created by the US government]

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Dave Hornford wrote: > A work authored by the American Government, and therefore in the public > domain in the United States is in effect in the public domain in Italy, > or equivalent of copyright expired. The work does not qualify for an > Italian copyright, it was not created in Italy or by a

Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Sorry to revive this, but it seemed unsettled. Josh Triplett wrote: > *sigh*. First of all, this was an analogy, from restrictions placed on > commercial distributors to other restrictions placed on other fields of > endeavor. The intent was not to state that the proposed logo license > restrict

fair use internationally (was Re: Bug#265352: grub: Debian splash images for Grub

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Performing thread necromancy Josh Triplett wrote: > There is a strong case for Fair Use of the imagery based on the latter > two factors. The actual use of the imagery in the game is also > more-or-less a parody, which is a protected right. > > Nevertheless, as you said in your previous mes

Re: Bug#310994: ITP: openttd -- open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe"

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Restricting this to -legal. Michael K. Edwards wrote: > The right to create sequels is reserved to the copyright holder, > absent the sort of potent First Amendment defense which prevailed in > SunTrust Bank v. Houghton Mifflin ("The Wind Done Gone"). Similar > reasoning holds in many non-US juri

Re: Bug#310994: ITP: openttd -- open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe"

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Michael K. Edwards wrote: > The "Game Genie" case (Galoob) was a generic "cheat code" widget that > substituted the odd byte in order to add lives and power-ups and all > that, and was in no sense a substitutable good for the console, the > game cartridge, or a sequel to any particular game. The "

Re: OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Warning: way too long and full of digressions. Skip if you aren't really interested. Michael K. Edwards wrote: >What is so "free speech" about ripping off a video game publisher? Well, obviously the question is whether it's "ripping off", or a work inspired by another one. YMMV. The facts see

Re: DTrace licensing

2005-05-31 Thread MJ Ray
Stephen R Laniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'm wondering if anyone knows whether the Linux > community could incorporate DTrace into our source code. > Does the CDDL give us the right to do that? And under what > conditions? My summary of CDDL last time I saw it was http://lists.debian.org/

Re: DTrace licensing

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Michael K. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After a quick glance, I would say that the CDDL is almost precisely > the same license as the GPL -- once you strip away the FSF's untruths > surrounding the GPL and construe it under California law ... Perhaps I should add that my opinio

Re: DTrace licensing

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/31/05, Stephen R Laniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I'm wondering if anyone knows whether the Linux > community could incorporate DTrace into our source code. > Does the CDDL give us the right to do that? And under what > conditions? After a quick glance, I would say that the CDDL is alm

DTrace licensing

2005-05-31 Thread Stephen R Laniel
Forgive me if this is the wrong forum on which to post this question, but: I'm trying to piece together exactly how permissive the CDDL is, using something very specific -- OpenSolaris's DTrace -- as an example. OpenSolaris.org says, "The source code for one of the Solaris operating system's most a

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Re: broadcom proposed firmware licence, please comment ...

2005-05-31 Thread Andres Salomon
On Sun, 29 May 2005 05:48:55 -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: [...] > Great! This license is totally distributable. I'm not sure, unfortunately, > what counts as "equivalent" to hexadecimal. I think that's the only problem. > > If it was just "permission to distribute, unmodified, in any form"

OpenTTD infringes TTD

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/29/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > US law discussion follows, though it ought to apply anywhere which recognizes > a strong right to free speech. What is so "free speech" about ripping off a video game publisher? Have you not looked closely enough to see that it's a rip-off

Re: Bug#310994: ITP: openttd -- open source clone of the Microprose game "Transport Tycoon Deluxe"

2005-05-31 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 5/30/05, Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The one case to make a significant point involving mise-en-scene > had a massive amount of new game data which was meant to > be integrated with the existing game data, thus creating a "sequel". > > There was more going on than that, of course,

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