Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-12-22 Thread MJ Ray
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 04:39:41PM -0500, Charles Fry wrote: My big concern at this time is not how Debian comes down on the PHP License with respect to PHP (and by implication the Pear Group). I am just trying to insist that if we accept this license as

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:08:13 +, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But the DFSG are intended to be a more detailed description of what free software (a term initially defined by the FSF) is. Whatever gave you the idea? The DFSG

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 02:08:13 +, Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But the DFSG are intended to be a more detailed description of what free software (a term initially defined by the FSF) is.

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: At no point during the DFSG discussion does anyone seem to suggest that we're redefining free software. Rather, we're making it clear what aspects of freedom we care about. It's supposed to lead to pretty much the same end result.

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: I'm discussing definition of free software. The FSF don't believe that the GFDL is a free software license. They call it free for something that Debian calls software. Why not harp over the ambiguous usage of software rather than its subset free software? I cannot

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: I'm discussing definition of free software. The FSF don't believe that the GFDL is a free software license. They call it free for something that Debian calls software. Why not harp over the ambiguous usage of software rather

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: I'm discussing definition of free software. The FSF don't believe that the GFDL is a free software license. They call it free for something that Debian calls software. Why not harp over the

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: We changed the social contract explicitly because not everyone defines software to cover things like documentation. The FSF have made it clear that they don't consider the two to be the same catagory for a very long time. You

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: We changed the social contract explicitly because not everyone defines software to cover things like documentation. The FSF have made it clear that they don't consider the two to be the same catagory

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Garrett writes: The fact that different people mean different things when they say software was enough for us to stop using the word software where the distinction was important. The logical follow-on is that we should either get people to agree

gif and what not

2005-12-22 Thread Gürkan Sengün
hi please can you comment these two? http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/12/msg00398.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg01049.html please send me a cc: yours, gürkan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-12-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:07:15 -0500 Charles Fry wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any objections to my claims here? If not, then I will request that new Pear packages using the PHP License be accepted, and I'll close the current RC bugs against Pear packages licenced under the PHP License if

Re: Policy on code covered by patents but not compiled?

2005-12-22 Thread Raul Miller
On 12/16/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consider the following situation: * Code (say MPEG encoder code) is considered to be covered by patents * Those patents are considered to be actively enforced * Code implementing an MPEG encoder is shipped in a source package * This code

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-12-22 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:13:06 -0500 Glenn Maynard wrote: Overall, I don't see any strong feeling on this list that this license is non-free, and that's a reasonable rationale for closing these bugs. If you think this license is *not* non-free, could you please explain me why you consider the

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-12-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 11:57:18PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: | 4. Products derived from this software may not be called PHP, nor | may PHP appear in their name, without prior written permission | from [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may indicate that your software works in | conjunction with PHP by

Re: gif and what not

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Donnellan
In some countries the LZW patent has expired. In 2006, I believe, the rest of the patents expire. I think the software can be safely packaged by now. andrew On 12/23/05, Gürkan Sengün [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi please can you comment these two?

Re: Clarification regarding PHP License and DFSG status

2005-12-22 Thread Charles Fry
Does anyone have any objections to my claims here? If not, then I will request that new Pear packages using the PHP License be accepted, and I'll close the current RC bugs against Pear packages licenced under the PHP License if they upgrade to the most recent version. [...] Did you

Re: kaid license non-free?

2005-12-22 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 12/21/05, Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripsit Cameron Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Any form of redistribution which connects to the published Team XLink Orbital Server list resource, for Orbital Server aquisition, or otherwise, or which interoperates with any existing

Re: kaid license non-free?

2005-12-22 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 06:19:00PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: * Any form of redistribution which connects to the published Team XLink Orbital Server list resource, for Orbital Server aquisition, or otherwise, or which interoperates with any existing software used by other member(s)