Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread MJ Ray
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is not the only issue with the MPL -- as Mike Hommey recently reminded -legal, there are others[1]. [...] [1]- http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00221.html Don't trust everything you read so much. That draft summary was written by a newbie

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Frank Küster
Craig Southeren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:22:31 -0400 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 08:54:53PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: A problem would only occur if there was a Debian release that contained source code that is is not in

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Jacobo Tarrio
El lunes, 3 de abril de 2006 a las 13:02:58 +1000, Craig Southeren escribía: If Debian is not ensuring that all source code for it's distribution is publically available via it's archives, then I agree that this is not only a problem for Debian, but it is definitaly a problem for downstream

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Craig Southeren [EMAIL PROTECTED] But the same licenses that provide this freedom requires the distributor to make the source code available for the appropriate period regardless of what the upstream developer does. For free software, the appropriate period is exactly as long as

new tool - searching for example

2006-04-03 Thread Csillag Kristóf
Hi there! As my master's thesis, I am developing a new Argument Mapping tool. ( Argument mapping is a method, that aims to make handling complicated arguments and debates easier and more efficient (or at all possible, above a certain difficulty level). * The essence of the method is that

Re: RFC: the new license for IBPP

2006-04-03 Thread Damyan Ivanov
Francesco Poli wrote: A package that includes a part which is licensed in a non-free manner does *not* comply with the DFSG. I cannot extract that part of FlameRobin source code (namely the IBPP C++ classes) and exercise the freedoms the DFSG guarantee. Therefore, FlameRobin does not meet

Re: RFC: the new license for IBPP

2006-04-03 Thread MJ Ray
Damyan Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] MJRay, may we have your comments too? Olivier sent me copies of some off-list discussion in which you tend to agree that new license is ok for Debian. Nice to learn that copyright infringement is alive and well(!) In short, I think it technically meets the

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Craig Southeren wrote: I'm not sure what an NMU is, but why are these not put into the SVN archive? A NMU (non-maintainer upload) is an upload by a person who is not the maintainer of the package. Reasons for this happening are numerous; trivial example is an urgent fix when the maintainer

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Craig Southeren
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Southeren wrote: I'm not sure what an NMU is, but why are these not put into the SVN archive? A NMU (non-maintainer upload) is an upload by a person who is not the maintainer of the package. Reasons

Re: new tool - searching for example

2006-04-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Csillag Kristóf wrote: Hi there! As my master's thesis, I am developing a new Argument Mapping tool. Cool. Will it become free software? An ideal thread for my example would look like this: - Revolts around one (or very few) basic decisions I assume you mean 'revolves', not 'revolts'

Re: new tool - searching for example

2006-04-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Sorry for replying twice, but the LPPL (LaTeX Public Project License) stuff --- the new version which was, in large part, driven by -legal, would be interesting too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:23:09PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: Because if it is Debian policy to distribute binaries where the source code is not guaranteed to be publically available, then yes, I think that could be a problem regardless of whether the license is MPL or GPL. The

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:23:09PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Southeren wrote: I'm not sure what an NMU is, but why are these not put into the SVN archive? A NMU (non-maintainer upload) is

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Craig Southeren wrote: Does the NMU end up in the repository eventually? If so, then I don't see this as a problem. Merging the NMU into the repository is up to the maintainer (he is, after all, the one with commit access). Given Debian's persistent problems with MIA maintainers, it —

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Craig Southeren
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:03:37 -0700 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:23:09PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: Because if it is Debian policy to distribute binaries where the source code is not guaranteed to be publically available, then yes, I think that

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Craig Southeren
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:15:05 -0400 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Southeren wrote: Does the NMU end up in the repository eventually? If so, then I don't see this as a problem. Merging the NMU into the repository is up to the maintainer (he is, after all, the one

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Michael Poole
Craig Southeren writes: [snip] Section 3 of the GPL states that the source code for a binary-only distribution must be available on demand for three years. 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Craig Southeren
To all, OK - I've just gone through and re-re-re-read the posts, and I think I now see the point everyone is making: 1) The GPL provide three alternate and equivalent delivery mechanisms for binary distributions. Only one of them (physical delivery of media as defines in 3b) has a time limit

Re: GFDL'ed documents with Front Cover text

2006-04-03 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 12:55:33AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, I expect it will be more efficient if we can approach the FSF for a blanket license change. No; from what we can tell, RMS is personally blocking even the simplest and most obvious license

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Craig Southeren
On 04 Apr 2006 00:04:32 -0400 Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..deleted [snip] The MPL specifies (see para 3.2) that source must be provided via an agreed Electronic Distribution Mechanism, which is defined as (see para 1.4) ...a mechanism generally accepted in the software

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 01:51:05PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: This means theoretically that the lifetime of a source release under the GPL is the same as a binary release. Once the binary is no longer distributed, then the source no longer has to be distributed either. As a user, the seems

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 01:22:50PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:03:37 -0700 Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:23:09PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: Because if it is Debian policy to distribute binaries where the source code is

Re: MPL and Source Code

2006-04-03 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 01:36:42PM +1000, Craig Southeren wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:15:05 -0400 Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig Southeren wrote: Does the NMU end up in the repository eventually? If so, then I don't see this as a problem. Merging the NMU