Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] I refer to Policy on a regular basis, but I don't think I've read the devref since I went through the NM queue. [...] Then, as you know, Policy contains the instruction: 'When in doubt about a copyright, send mail to debian-legal@lists.debian.org' and

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-24 Thread MJ Ray
Max Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006/5/23, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry if that's butchery of a foreign language, but this list is usually in English. Ah ah! This is in english too (there are many universal juridical latin ter= ms!): Latin is not English. Is it universal? I don't

Re: Debian-based miniVDR violates GPL (FYI)

2006-05-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 23 May 2006, Ciuca, Josephine wrote: I just wanted to let you know about a GPL violation in the distribution miniVDR, a distribution based on Depian with so-called GPL licensed patches (www.minivdr.de). They refuse to share the sources and are willing to give them only for 15euros,

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-24 Thread Raul Miller
On 5/19/06, Andrew Donnellan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Max, did you know that Debian requires *everything*, not just software, to be DFSG-free? Not that it's particularly relevant since there isn't a huge amount under the Against DRM license, but... I have not been able to figure out what Max

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Bill Allombert
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:27:41PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: complaining that no one shopped the license around to -legal before the upload (which no one ever has an obligation to do) isn't... The Debian developer reference states in section 5.1. New packages the process to add new packages

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:54:13PM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:27:41PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: complaining that no one shopped the license around to -legal before the upload (which no one ever has an obligation to do) isn't... The Debian developer reference

Re: Distributor License for Java: External Commentary

2006-05-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:15:32 +1200 Adam Warner wrote: Hi all, [several comments] Some more press coverage: Article by Gavin Clarke: Red Hat: Java Linux license does not go far enough 18 May 2006 http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/05/18/red_hat_sun_java_license/ Brian Stevens, Red Hat CTO,

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-24 Thread Max Brown
2006/5/24, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Max Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006/5/23, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry if that's butchery of a foreign language, but this list is usually in English. Ah ah! This is in english too (there are many universal juridical latin ter= ms!): Latin is not

Re: Against DRM 2.0

2006-05-24 Thread MJ Ray
Max Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said that many latin *juridical* terms are universal: the problem is that you don't know the language of the *right* No, the problem is that you seem to be using a foreign language to cloud matters which are really very simple. [...] You are closed in your little

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Kari Pahula
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 06:58:08PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 06:14:51PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 04:18:44PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Jordan Abel
On 5/22/06, Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: The questions asked weren't Is this okay for non-free? it's Did you mean or when you wrote ?. The answers to those latter questions are, ttbomk, all included in the FAQ, which is why ignoring it just wastes everyone's time.

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Stephen Frost
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote: On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 06:14:51PM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 04:18:44PM -0500, Anthony Towns wrote: Anyway, the background is that James Troup, Jeroen van Wolffelaar and myself examined the license before accepting

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-05-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060524 17:54]: So I guess you can still criticize folks for this if you want to, but I know that my own ongoing notion of best practices comes from stuff I learned long ago plus new ideas discussed on this mailing list, not from the devref. Well, wouldn't