Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
Package: esniper Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.2.3 [Cc:d to debian-legal] Hi, It's not obvious it is legal to distribute this software at all (probably it either is fit for main or unfit for non-free too). I suggest a review on debian-legal, since I'm not well versed in (at least

Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Don Armstrong
severity 420686 normal thanks On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Sami Liedes wrote: 2.2.3 says Packages must be placed in _non-free_ if they are not compliant with the DFSG or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues that make their distribution problematic. (I expected to find something saying

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Sami! You wrote: It's not obvious it is legal to distribute this software at all (probably it either is fit for main or unfit for non-free too). I suggest a review on debian-legal, since I'm not well versed in (at least this area of) law. I found nothing about this in debian-legal

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:38:34AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: How can it be illegal to distribute? Ebay User Agreements are not law and Debian is not bound to it. Well, I don't know the law too well, that's why I asked you (and if you feel it's legal, I'm happy about that). But some kind of

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:55:15AM +0300, Sami Liedes wrote: I'd say it's rather obvious that there is a contract between the seller and eBay, but that's just my view) is no legal use for this program. Sorry, I meant the bidder and eBay. But now that's not as evident any more, I think.

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 08:28 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: Because the meta-license of the GPL is *not* free, as you pointed out. The licenses are free, because they grant the right freedoms for a work when applied to that work. The license texts are not free, because they do not have those same

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
Fabian Fagerholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The meta-license of the GPL is part of the text of the GPL. The DFSG doesn't say: only part of the GPL is considered free. It says that the GPL, as a whole, including the meta-license, is considered free. The context of that statement is the GPL as

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Lasse Reichstein Nielsen
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:44:30 +0200, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious to know how you reconcile Social Contract §1 and DFSG §3, and the fact that we distribute non-modifiable texts in Debian. Easy. DFSG §3 talks about the software, and a license is not software - neither

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 Sami Liedes wrote: Well, I don't know the law too well, that's why I asked you (and if you feel it's legal, I'm happy about that). But some kind of contributory infringement came to my mind, ... I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread MJ Ray
Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word corresponding in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). What software is this for? I think the last sentence is necessary if it clarifies the meaning of corresponding. (2) In the last

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:17:22AM +0100, Dima Barsky wrote: I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory infringement, shouldn't we remove all P2P clients from Debian as well? There is a much stronger case for contributory infringement there.. I'm not convinced.

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-24 Thread Fabian Fagerholm
On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 18:13 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: The context of that statement is the GPL as a license, not as a work. The license, applied to another work, is free. The GPL as a work, however, is *not* free, since the license on that work does not grant the requisite freedoms. Surely

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Sami Liedes wrote: If (and that's a big if) that argumentation is valid, indeed there is no legal use for the software, and I think that probably would weigh quite a bit in court. Though I admit I don't even know if there's such a thing as contributory infringement of a contract, it sounds

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Considering the number of sniping software packages out there eBay doesn't seem to be very interested in pursuing these packages. Indeed, they could've stopped sniping quite easily, if they wanted to. Although I'm not sure if it could be considered a valid legal

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Steve and *, Am 2007-04-18 03:39:58, schrieb Steve Langasek: Er, businesses selling t-shirts using the official debian logo is *not* permitted. Currently, the manner in which this is being disallowed is suboptimal, but it's still not something that we *permit*. (Perhaps what you're

Re: Logo trademark license vs. copyright license

2007-04-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:43:26PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2007-04-18 03:39:58, schrieb Steve Langasek: Er, businesses selling t-shirts using the official debian logo is *not* permitted. Currently, the manner in which this is being disallowed is suboptimal, but it's still not

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word corresponding in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). What software is this for? I think the last sentence is necessary if it clarifies the meaning

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
MJ Ray wrote: Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (1) The last sentence is necessary (i.e. does the word corresponding in the first sentence imply the last sentence?). What software is this for? This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello *, Am 2007-04-24 08:38:34, schrieb Bas Zoetekouw: How can it be illegal to distribute? Ebay User Agreements are not law and Debian is not bound to it. You can get the specification of the eBay-API from the Website for free and can create FREELY a lib which allo you to access the eBay

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
Walter Landry wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (2) In the last sentence, does the phrase must reflect all modifications mean that all past, present, and future modifications must also be included? I think that including past modifications

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Ben Finney
Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/04/msg3.html Again, I exhort you: either choose an existing, well-understood free license for your software, or (as a distant second)

Re: Confusion about license wording

2007-04-24 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
Ben Finney wrote: Suraj N. Kurapati [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is an experimental license I have been playing around with. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/04/msg3.html Again, I exhort you: either choose an existing, well-understood free license for your software, or