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2008-09-01 Thread Newsletter Ebay
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Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:58 +0200 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:53:09 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MJ Ray wrote: Is there a generally-accepted statement from FSF that a free VCS solution is sufficient, or is this interpretation only valid for

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:56:56 +0200 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:15:48 -0400 Arc Riley wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The problem is: what happens if the VCS goes off-line for one afternoon (or for

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:50:51 +0100 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the previously-available modified copy that you are using goes offline, does one then have to post the source? The same as with the GPL. If upstream disappears you have to stop distributing unless you provide the source

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/9/1 Daniel Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AGPLv3 may or may not be free, but as the discussion goes on I am finding the arguments against it less credible as they seem to be invoking 'problems' that are not really problems. Some of the problems might be important anyway. I'll sum up my

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Arc Riley
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:03 AM, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the problems might be important anyway. I'll sum up my personal concerns. Say I want to create a 3D virtual world based on the IRC network, using PySoy as the base framework for that, PySoy being AGPLv3 will force

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2008/9/1 Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) Spam everyone I interact with, saying the client I'm using and how to get the full source code. The license does not say you must advertise, only that you must prominently offer. In your example of an IRC network, providing a source URL with CTCP

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Arc Riley
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Miriam Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, but they'll have your IP, which is (at least in my country) personal information. In any case it is enough for someone to be able to find you, so you won't be really anonymous. Think about China, for example.

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an American, I cannot export cryptographic software. As a result, I don't work on it. That doesn't prevent me from building or modifying software that utilizes those components, as those components are imported. And

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:49:38PM -0500, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/1 Christofer C. Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The AGPLv3 requires you to re-export that code in the event that you modify server software using it -- even if exporting crypto is illegal for you. This is not an

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Ben Pfaff
Arc Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These are technical challenges, not legal problems, and will be solved by the community as the need arises. I'd say in the next year or two free VCS services will allow people to register new branches to existing projects. There is already a limited form

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008, Arc Riley wrote: As an American, I cannot export cryptographic software. As a result, I don't work on it. That doesn't prevent me from building or modifying software that utilizes those components, as those components are imported. You still have to arrange to convey

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008, Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote: 2008/9/1 Christofer C. Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The AGPLv3 requires you to re-export that code in the event that you modify server software using it -- even if exporting crypto is illegal for you. This is not an issue. A license can't

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Ian Jackson wrote: Miriam Ruiz writes (Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?): Do you think AGPLv3 is DFSG-free? Yes. The source-transmission requirement is hardly onerous, It's probably not onerous, but it's certainly non-trivial. The class of things that fall under Corresponding

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2008/9/1 Christofer C. Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The AGPLv3 requires you to re-export that code in the event that you modify server software using it -- even if exporting crypto is illegal for you. This is not an issue. A license can't force you to do something that contradicts a higher law. -

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:39:59 -0400 Daniel Dickinson wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:58 +0200 Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The problem is: what happens if the VCS goes off-line for one afternoon (or for one night, for a couple of days, for a week, ..., forever)? Am I

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-09-01 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:03:04 +0200 Miriam Ruiz wrote: [...] 4c) Through a public server, having to identify myself (thus, I wouldn't be able to remain anonymous) The real problem would not be anonymity (which could be reached via technical measures: onion routing, anonymous remailers, nym