More mmcache concerns

2005-01-09 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Elizabeth Fong wrote: Can someone look at http://bugs.debian.org/280864 please? It is likely we'll need legal advice to proceed. Quick summary of the situation: 2001 to 2002? - Dmitry Stogov wrote Turck-MMCache on contract to Turcksoft St. Petersburg 2002-12-09 -

Re: Visualboy Advance question.

2004-07-10 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Branden Robinson wrote: A *lot* of old home computer emulators won't be self-sufficient without the ROM, because the environments were so constrained that ROM-based service routines were very heavily used. That's interesting and true. But a lot is not all. I think in the

Is license text copyrightable? [was: Re: Is OSL 2.0 compliant with DFSG?]

2004-04-11 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Francesco Poli wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:44:18 -0400 Jeremy Hankins wrote: This license is Copyright (C) 2003 Lawrence E. Rosen. All rights reserved. Permission is hereby granted to copy and distribute this license without modification. This license may not be

Re: CCPL-by

2004-04-01 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Now, the French contributor can sneak something past debian-legal by writing a license text that appears to grant permissions that the contributor has no power to grant. Is that what you want? Are you sure the location of the contributor is

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-11 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Dylan Thurston wrote: On 2003-10-08, Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, it is very unlikely that TYPEBANK Co. will win a lawsuit in any country. After all, similarity is not implies derivative work. But it is very likely that they will threaten, harass

Re: Japanese font license problem

2003-10-08 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 10:59:22AM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote: As a result of KANOU's investigation, LABO123 32-dot font is same as the bitmap font (TYPEBANK Mincho M) that was developed by TYPEBANK Co., Are these all bitmap fonts, then? In some

Re: GFDL

2003-10-07 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 3 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The same (see above) point is not correct for political speech. Unlimitedly modifiable political speech is _not_ a normal mode of operation and never was. Political speech has been around for about two

Re: RFC: GPL plus securities industry disclaimer suitable for main?

2003-10-07 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Florian Weimer wrote: Just interpreting the GPL according to the laws of Germany might result in further restrictions. For example, GPLed software released before 1995 is not redistributable over the Internet. Can you give me spme online Resources about it ? In Germany,

Re: RFC: GPL plus securities industry disclaimer suitable for main?

2003-10-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 2 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: The terms of use are to be construed in accordance with the Laws of England. It would be significantly inconvinient for a foreign user to be forced to appear in a UK court should the copyright owner file suit against them. Under UK law

Re: GFDL

2003-10-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, D. Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know many modern (not public domain) political texts of any source, which is freely [unlimited] modifiable? When I first ran across the GPL, it was such a surprising license that I printed it out

Re: RFC: GPL plus securities industry disclaimer suitable for main?

2003-10-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 3 Oct 2003, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Such provision, IMHO, is contradicts to article 5 of Berne Convention, when applied to copyright matters. Therefore, such provision may make all license either illegal or unenforceable. You

Software in common discourse in 2003

2003-10-01 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Barak Pearlmutter wrote: Slipping between two definitions can be used to perform a rhetorical trick: first get agreement that All X's are Y's under the common definition of X, then change the definition of X and carry over the earlier agreement using the new definition. For

Re: GFDL

2003-09-30 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: - Several persons of Debian stated on that list that they would drop any political text of GNU in GNU packages they may maintain. Mathieu, you're lying. Provide citations of any Debian Developer doing so -- provide citations of a

Software, vegetable, mineral, was: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-09-26 08:04:12 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0) Is printed Emacs Manual in bookstore a software or hardware? Not necessarily either. 1) Is Emacs Manual recorded on CD-Audio a software or hardware? Not necessarily either, but I forget

Re: A possible GFDL comporomise: a proposal

2003-09-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Fedor Zuev wrote: First, try to answer to several simply questions. FYI, these are *my* answers, not necessarily everyone's answers. 0) Is printed Emacs Manual in bookstore a software or hardware? The lump of paper and ink is hardware. Including

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: First, try to answer to several simply questions. If you do likewise. 0) Is printed Emacs Manual in bookstore a software or hardware? No. Is it in Debian? 1) Is Emacs Manual recorded on CD-Audio a software or hardware? No. Is it in Debian? 2)

Re: A possible GFDL compromise: a proposal

2003-09-26 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Roland Mas wrote: Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet, 2003-09-22 20:40:07 +0200 : Given the amount of discussion this topic has started, perhaps it might be a good idea to do it anyway, if only to reduce the confusion for those who are not native speakers of English. In the

Re: License requirements for DSP binaries?

2003-09-24 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 11:56:27AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lun 22/09/2003 ? 09:46, Glenn Maynard a ?crit : On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:47:26AM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: IBM distributes the Linux driver and the binaries in a tarball that

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-20 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: Within the United Kingdom, it doesn't exist, Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, art. 32. That section is about the use of copyrighted materials for education. It does not apply to anything else. It is written in fiddly UK lawyerspeak, but it

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-20 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet wrote: Fedor Zuev wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: As has been previously pointed out, fair use is far from a universal concept. Berne Convention, art. 10 par. 1 That's not fair use. Paragraph 1 deals with citations

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-20 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-09-19 19:37:59 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: As has been previously pointed out, fair use is far from a universal concept. Berne Convention, art. 10 par. 1 Par 2 says that the extent

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-19 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: licence according to FSD. Note that freedom for certain modified versions (for example, even a work containing only the GNU Manifesto invariant section) are effectively blocked, which triggers this section of reasoning. Do you really believe in this

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-19 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: You have mistaken the objection. There is no reason to think it would be a small fractional increase, especially since little parts of manuals--single paragraphs even--are useful reusable bits just in the way

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-17 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-09-12 21:41:52 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, I do not believe that you did not read FSD. All the more so you menyioned it below. Please, why do you even write this? I can only think that you are trying to insult me. I am

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-17 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:00:01PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: There a lot of people in this list, who cares very much about cost (Invariant Sections is clearly non-free), but cares I don't see what that has to do with cost. Every

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: I have not yet got the impression that the people you name are free beer zealots. Rather, they seem to be freedom zealots if anything. Do you have

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: Fedor Zuev wrote: You already lost your killfile? My condolences. Please note, one of differences between DFSG and FSD is that latter does not require possiblity of arbitrary modification of work, but only freedom to improve the program

Re: Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, John Goerzen wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 05:41:52AM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: There a lot of people in this list, who cares very much about cost (Invariant Sections is clearly non-free), but cares I don't see what that has to do with cost. Every requirement

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-12 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those words are simply an indirect way of declining to recognize the difference between loss of freedom and practical inconvenience. That's not entirely true; I believe that debian-legal generally makes this

Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots was: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-09-12 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-09-12 17:43:49 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Robinson, Nerode and other free beer zealots does not show, AFAIK, any clear-cut principles of freedom (and Robinson explicitly declines that DFSG is a sufficient definition), any

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-09 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote: Assuming we're talking about USA jurisdictions: 17 USC 106 et seq. enumerates rights reserved to copyright owners by default. Others are conveyed automatically to any lawful recipient of a covered work -- the

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-09-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (quoting the Sun RPC license): but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. I

Re: Some licensing questions regarding celestia

2003-09-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 02 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Don Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): It follows directly from contract law. The falsity of that statement can be seen at a brief glance from the fact that a license granting unlimited unrevokable rights to

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-09-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Fedor Zuev wrote to Jeremy Hankins: On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: [I'm taking this off-list, as this is no longer really relevant there.] Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When FSF include Sun RPC code, that code was licensed to FSF under Sun RPC license

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-31 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: But when I received glibc licensed under the GPL (which includes code derived from Sun RPC) I received it under the terms of the GPL. Technically the Sun RPC license still

GNU FDL makes difference files useless

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Scott James Remnant wrote: GNU CVS repository, emacs/man/emacs.texi, revision 1.64 The following two changes are made in this revision: -to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `show c' +to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `show c' and -(which

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Monday, Aug 25, 2003, at 10:44 US/Eastern, Fedor Zuev wrote: So, there is no censorship in the world as long as no one threaten to kill you? Well. That's not what I said, and even if it were, there are other forms of coercion

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: I thought I'd been following this discussion, but it seems to have branched off into a discussion of originality. Unless I'm horribly confused (which, as always

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le ven 29/08/2003 ? 10:42, Fedor Zuev a ?crit : Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your problem. You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all: You are not aware? Hey, I know you! You are Jean-Claude Van

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: May be user will decide not to use Emacs at all, if he will know, that Emacs and Manifesto written by the same man. (Btw, this if a far more usual and far more honest behavior, than strip Manifesto and continue to use it) Maybe he will decide not to

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Every copyright case that's lost by the defendents is an example. That's the point: if you come up with the exact same expression, then either you've copied, or there's a lack of originality in the work

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David B Harris wrote: ---/text/dossie/gfdl/fdl.txt-- You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: I never said that Sun's code unoriginal or uncopyrightable. Ah, I think I understand. You're talking about the originality involved in the act of separating out the Sun RPC code from the glibc code? I don't see how that's relevant. Sorry.

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 27 Aug 2003, Stephen Ryan wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:13, Fedor Zuev wrote: Removing of secondary section from manual can't be count nor as improvement, nor as adaptation of manual. It is, by definition[0], off-topic. Therefore, as any good editor[1] will tell you, it would

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Joe Moore wrote: Fedor Zuev said: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It almost certainly affect the normal use of program and will be unacceptable because of this, not because of mere existence of such code. How does ls

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit : When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad. But it is different problem. No, it is exactly one

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-08-27 05:52:57 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But this is irrelevant. It is enough that _law_ (majority of existed copyright laws) makes this difference. [...] Just a small reminder that you've not presented such a law yet (at all, I

Re: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Anthony Towns wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:51:49AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: ... You're invited to demonstrate an instance of someone coming up with the exact same expression of the exact same copyrightable idea being sued for copyright infringement and winning on

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Documentation in not a software. This has been refuted so many times. What about help2man, which turns software into documentation? What about the numerous other times documentation is embedded into source code

Re: Freaky copyright laws [was: SUN RPC code is DFSG-free]

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: If I recall correctly, U.S. legal tradition was ridiculed for not being grounded on sweat-of-the-brow arguments. In actual fact, very little IP law in the U.S. appears to be grounded on that. If I ridiculed US law

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 03:28:28PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: No. Freedom of _distributor_ is not an issue for the free software _at_ _all_. No written document says that goal of a free software is to promote freedom of a mere distributors

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely unrelated other work. But you, of course, may disagree. I just reply

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Florian Weimer wrote: Nowadays we have to struggle constantly against the tendency to bury the free software movement and pretend that we advocate open source. So I don't think we can conclude that such precautions are no longer necessary. It's true that many have gladly

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, David B Harris wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:55:05 +0900 (IRKST) Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: JM the freedom of _users_ and _authors_. It is in the best interest of JM users to receive unstripped version of manual

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But if you take Acrobat, remove, say, the Adobe EULA, and distribute the rest, it will be censorship or, at least, very similar. Because you conceal from users the information from creator, that they reasonable

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: No. Freedom of _distributor_ is not an issue for the free software _at_ _all_. No written document says that goal of a free software is to promote freedom of a mere distributors (besides, of course, the freedom to distribute itself). Free

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes How about a license which allowed off-topic code (say, a 'hangman' game in the 'ls' program) which must be present unmodified in source code of all derived versions, and must be invoked (perhaps through a command

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Yes, of course. And while copyright _really_, not formally, affects only professional distributors, there was little or no problem with copyright. Problems begins, when copyright grow so large, that it affect the rights and interests of users and

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, David Starner wrote: Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Documentation in not a software. This has been refuted so many times. What about help2man, which turns software into documentation

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Keith Dunwoody wrote: Fedor Zuev wrote: Heh. And, according to the same logic, you should not lock the door of your home, because someone may want to copy document from your desktop. Get real! Exactly. According to the logic of the GFDL you should not lock the door

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, David B Harris wrote: If I'm on a shared, multi-user system, I must leave any directories a GFDL document is in as world-readable; to restrict permissions would be to use a technical measure to restrict the further reading of the document. Heh. And, according to

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jacobo Tarrio wrote: drawn to the condition You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the copies you make or distribute. If make or were stricken, and perhaps some clarification added to ensure that secure transport

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dim 24/08/2003 ? 14:57, Sergey V. Spiridonov a ?crit : BTW, I understand, FDL with invariant section infringements freedoms of the distributor, as Debian. Distributor is the last instance where the software package can be modified before it will

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Joe Wreschnig wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:37, Fedor Zuev wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: This still fails - as a result of the use of invariant sections, I am unable to use content from one piece of documentation in another piece of documentation

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dim 24/08/2003 ? 21:44, Fedor Zuev a ?crit : If people disagree with what you say, you should not prohibit them from doing so. You're still a well-known person who can reasonably assume that what you write or say will not go unnoticed. Even

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: JM the freedom of _users_ and _authors_. It is in the best interest of JM users to receive unstripped version of manual. It is also in the JM best interest of authors. Interest of distributor is non-issue. JMAre you trying to assert point 2 of the

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad. But it is different problem. The GFDL may only be intended for documentation and the like, but if I want to use

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: There a VERY large difference, as black from white, between me deciding not to repeat certain portions of Mr. Zuev's post[0] and sending people to intimidate or kill him. The former is known, at least in the free world, as free speech; the latter as

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le lun 25/08/2003 ? 09:22, Fedor Zuev a ?crit : When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad. But it is different problem. No, it is exactly one

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Would you consider a hypothetical program license to be free if it allowed 'off-topic' text which must be present unmodified in source and object code of all derived versions, and must be displayed (perhaps through a command-line option) by every

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Jacobo Tarrio wrote: What are you trying to rebute from my clause with it? It is more or less my reasoning: you can translate the book having only a hardcopy of it. Well, it is even standard practice. If you want to actually modify it -- well, you may either OCR it, or you

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-24 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: But here you talked not about discrimination against using the copies of manual, but about discrimination against creating specific types of derivative works. This may be reasonable, but please note, that in _this_ sense, many of debian/main

Re: A possible GFDL compromise

2003-08-24 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: At a cost. While I understand the desire for the invariant sections, it can be wondered what freedom is most desirable: the freedom to run, study, redistribute and improve for everyone, or the freedom to run, study, redistribute and improve for only

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-23 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Sat, 22 Aug 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] KD So, no text from a document licensed under the KD GFDL which contained an invariant section could be included in an KD encyclopedia, since the invariant section would now be part of KD the main discussion

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Keith Dunwoody wrote: KDWell, consider the following: Invariant sections are only KDallowed to be material which does not talk about the main topic KDof the work. However, encyclopedias are books which KD(theoretically anyway) are about _everything_. All topics are KDthe

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-22 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Matthew Garrett wrote: No, you didn't get it. What I wrote before was example for why invariant. sections _can_ be useful. Do not compare apples and pears[0]. On the other hand is your anti-semetic message subject to penal law not copyright law, at least here in Germany...

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-16 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, John Galt wrote: JGJKOn Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:50:32PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: JGJKAccording FDL, You may not use technical measures to JGJK obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the _copies_ JGJK _you_ _make_ _or_ _distribute_. You has

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-15 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: MRFedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MROf course, you can claim that the very special definition of MR software should and will be used for the sole purpose of the MR interpretation of DFSG and Social Contract. [...] MRYes! We use that very special

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-15 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote: What I was trying to say is: It does not matter at all how world is. Some legislations may use the word software for something, but it does not matter at all. And it does not matter which meaning we choose. (As it does not matter if all newspapers of

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: JKOn Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 07:50:32PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: JKAccording FDL, You may not use technical measures to JK obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the _copies_ JK _you_ _make_ _or_ _distribute_. You has no obligations

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Bernhard R. Link wrote: BRL* Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030812 22:56]: BRL Because everyting is software declarations does not really BRL serve for promotion of any freedom, but, contrary, only for stealing BRL freedom existed under the law. BRLPlease note

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-14 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Wouter Verhelst wrote: WVOp wo 13-08-2003, om 14:20 schreef Sergey Spiridonov: WV Yes, encrypted system will be a problem if I will try to sell encrypted WV FDL books, so that one can read, but not copy or modify his copy. WVWhat if you'd want to create a custom Debian

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: Software is a set of statements primarily intended to perform some operations on the some set of input information in order to bring about a certain result with this information. Regardless of the way it does so. Data is a set of statements

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: AD Oh, great, so maybe I'll finally have answers to my generic questions AD to AD FDL supporters: how a license which forbids to put the document on an AD encrypted filesystem can be considered free? How a license which AD forbids AD AD Is it? Are

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: MS My suggestion: MS Software is a set of statements primarily intended to perform MS some operations on the some set of input information in order to MS bring about a certain result with this information. Regardless MS of the way it does so. MS

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Keith Dunwoody wrote: KDBut let it be: KD --- KD KD If the package gets extra input information as a part of using it KD _and_ a result substantially[*] varies, depending this input KD information _and_ these variations at least partially controlled by KD

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: MRFedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MR On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: MR MRI have now been given a link to the German copyright law at MR MRhttp://bundesrecht.juris.de/bundesrecht/urhg/index.html but I am very MR MRslow at reading German, if anyone else

RE: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Petrisor Marian wrote: PMWhat about a backup copy that you do for yourself, and for PMvarious reasons you encrypt it? According FDL, You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the _copies_ _you_ _make_ _or_

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-13 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: MROn 2003-08-13 15:26:46 +0100 Fedor Zuev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MRArticles 69c,69d completely redefine all conception of MR exclusive rights (compare with articles 15-23 for generic MR exclusive rights) - the heart of copyright regime. Hard to imagine MR

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-12 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Manoj Srivastava wrote: JG Documentation consists of instructions primarily intended to be JG human-readable regarding the operation of something such as a JG program. JG Programs consist of instructions primarily intended to be JG machine-readable that either contain

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-12 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJ Ray wrote: MRI have now been given a link to the German copyright law at MRhttp://bundesrecht.juris.de/bundesrecht/urhg/index.html but I am very MRslow at reading German, if anyone else wants to beat me to reading it. http://www.copyrighter.ru/lite/germanapisp.htm

Re: A possible approach in solving the FDL problem

2003-08-12 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Branden Robinson wrote: BREstablish first that the debian-legal team's current application BRof the term software to all binary digits that get shipped in BRDebian main is fallacious even if valid. Not to say for everyone, but for me there is a very strong reason.

Re: Inconsistencies in our approach

2003-08-09 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, John Goerzen wrote: JGDocumentation consists of instructions primarily intended to be JGhuman-readable regarding the operation of something such as a program. JGPrograms consist of instructions primarily intended to be machine-readable JGthat either contain machine language