Re: anti-tarball clause and GPL

2019-07-24 Thread Jeff Licquia
On 7/23/19 6:49 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > In the light of the currently discussed GR proposal, I wonder if the > following license clause would be considered DFSG-free and GPL-compatible: > > ## > I do not consider a flat tarball to be a preferred form for modification. > Thus,

Re: RFC: Transitive Grace Period Public Licence

2009-02-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote: The Transitive Grace Period Public Licence (TGPPL) is a licence that I wrote by adding a small clause to the Open Source License v3.0. The TGPPL is a copyleft or transitive licence -- it offers you the right to make derived works on the condition that you extend the

Re: enabling transport and on storage encryption in bacula on debian build

2009-01-08 Thread Jeff Licquia
Ken Arromdee wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. Build it from source yourself (perfectly legal -- only distribution violates the GPL license). Isn't it the FSF's position that user does the link violates GPL? No. Please read the GPL. I suggest you Google up user does the

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-31 Thread Jeff Licquia
Francesco Poli wrote: I think you chose the wrong example: the written offer possibility (clause 3b in GPLv2, clause 6b in GPLv3) is a non-free path through the GPL. In other words, if making the written offer were the *only* way to distribute GPL'd object code, the GPL would *not* meet the

Re: Is AGPLv3 DFSG-free?

2008-08-30 Thread Jeff Licquia
Francesco Poli wrote: Am I failing to comply with the license? The only person who could say for sure would be a judge. But, in general, it's worth noting that the law is not as robotic as this. We could imagine all kinds of scenarios that could be construed as violations of all kinds of

Re: debian/copyright and actual copyrights

2007-11-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
severity 451647 serious thanks Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Today I've filed a bugreport http://bugs.debian.org/451647 against wacom-tools package. Its copyright file imho violates the policy (I think I can cite it here since it is quite concise) ,--- | This package was created by Ron Lee [EMAIL

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Jeff Licquia
Joerg Schilling wrote: Anyway, in Europe you cannot agree on a contract that you do not yet know and for this reason, a text like GPLv2 or any later is void. Why? Assuming the rest of your characterizations for the sake of argument, two contracts currently exist which meet those criteria.

Re: transitive GPL (exim4, OpenSSL, mySQL and others)

2007-11-14 Thread Jeff Licquia
Stephen Gran wrote: I have been under the impression that the answer is no. You're not linking L to OpenSSL. It could be argued that this was an attempt at defeating the GPL if P was a thin shim layer between L and OpenSSL, but I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that for our default

Re: Grokking Re: rescuing code from the GPL

2007-11-12 Thread Jeff Licquia
This is not legal advice. If you need good legal advice, hire a lawyer. Shriramana Sharma wrote: Shriramana Sharma wrote: 2. Y modifies this program to use Qt (under the GPL), creating 02-qt-nothirdvar.cpp, and distributes it under both the BSDL and GPL. 1) Please explain how this is

Re: Using Debian as a base for a LiveCD together with non-free products.

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Licquia
Jenner Fusari wrote: Jeff Licquia ha scritto: From the free software side, there should be very few problems. Linkage might be an issue. If the non-free app links to works licensed under the GNU GPL, there's an exception that allows this *if the two works are not distributed together*, which

Re: Anti-TPM clauses

2007-09-13 Thread Jeff Licquia
Francesco Poli wrote: Well, I made a detailed analysis of the issues I see in CC-by(-sa)-v3.0 licenses. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/07/msg00124.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2007/03/msg00105.html Just saying that they are in spirit the same as GPL is *not* a convincing

Re: Using Debian as a base for a LiveCD together with non-free products.

2007-09-12 Thread Jeff Licquia
Jenner Fusari wrote: is it possible to use Debian as the base for a Live CD intended to present a commercial (non free) software (test and evaluate it in its demo version)? Is there any legal issue on doing this? There could be; we have no idea. From the free software side, there should be

Re: GPL V2 and GPLv3

2007-09-05 Thread Jeff Licquia
Peter S Galbraith wrote: Sure, the code is fine with older Emacs. We simply shouldn't install it and set it up for GPL v3 versions of Emacs. *If* there is a violation (and I'm still not convinced), this isn't a solution, at least not for Debian. The GPL is all about distribution and

Re: sphpblog License-Question (modified/expanded GPL)

2007-05-16 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 17:32 +0200, Cord Beermann wrote: I want to add a package to Debian with the following License-Statement: The Simple PHP Blog is released under the GNU Public License. You are free to use and modify the

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 14:44 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: How many participants in the KDE/Qt brouhaha actually cited relevant case law? I recall that quite a bit of case law was discussed. Perhaps the debian-legal archives could tell you more. In any case, there's a perfectly good

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2005-07-30 at 03:55 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: Let me try again. Eben Moglen has a J. D. from Yale. He has been admitted to the bar in New York and before the Supreme Court. He has clerked in district court and for Justice Thurgood Marshall. He has held a professorship of law

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 13:11 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: On 8/2/05, Patrick Herzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RMS doesn't preach the economic superiority of free software. If you fail to understand even such a well-explained position I wonder what your references to all kinds of

RE: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 10:52 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: IMHO its relevance to d-l is that, if such suspicions are indeed founded, the FSF GPL FAQ should not be taken by face value and that Debian should re-evaluate its position about GPL and linking. If you can prove that the FSF

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 15:21 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: No, I just explained where I was coming from in characterizing RMS's public posture as preach[ing] the economic superiority of the free software system. How you can call this an attempt to shut down the debate is beyond me. If you

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has a definition in the statute (in the US case, 17USC). Hmm. I suppose this is part and parcel of the

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 14:42 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: ** Jeff Licquia :: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 10:05 -0300, Humberto Massa Guimarães wrote: First of all, Debian GNU/Linux is *NOT* a derivative work of OpenSSL, GStreamer, nor any of its plugins. A derivative work has

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 12:00 -0700, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The message to which I pointed you has a link back into the main fray (threads with titles like Urgently need GPL compatible libsnmp5-dev replacement, GPL and linking, and What makes software copyrightable anyway?). I've put

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 11:59 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: GStreamer's build process builds separate binaries for the various plugins, these are then dlopened when requested. I would personnally think that installing only Debian's GStreamer packages that are linked to LGPL libraries doesn't

Re: Question about license compatibility

2005-07-24 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 21:46 -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2005 08:04 pm, Jeff Licquia wrote: On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 17:11 -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: This is a difficult situation that is worth commentary. Assume for a moment that the U.S. has some strict export

Re: LGPL module linked with a GPL lib

2005-07-24 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2005-07-24 at 20:50 +0200, Loïc Minier wrote: The GStreamer suite ships a lot of plugins which are dlopened() when needed. Some of them link with GPL libraries. I received a bug report (#317129) to change the copyright files of libgstreamer0.8-0 and gstreamer0.8-mad to GPL.

Re: Question about license compatibility

2005-07-23 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 17:11 -0700, Sean Kellogg wrote: This is a difficult situation that is worth commentary. Assume for a moment that the U.S. has some strict export restriction. As a U.S. citizen I am bound by those laws and cannot legally violate them. Further, if I am to distribute

Re: Alternatives to the Affero General Public License

2005-06-22 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 10:19 -0700, Gregor Richards wrote: In response to Still unworkable. I want to use the code for some embedded use ... How is this unworkable? To support the HTTP protocol to the degree of sending source code does not require a full HTTP sever per se. Hell, you could

Latest LPPL

2003-06-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
After the last round of discussions, the LaTeX Project has asked me to review and present a new revision of the LPPL, which is attached below. It is unlikely that I will be able to participate in the discussion this time around due to time constraints, but the LaTeX people should be around to

Re: query from Georg Greve of GNU about Debian's opinion of the F DL

2003-04-14 Thread Jeff Licquia
, not by the author of his or her software. With free software and free documentation, there's no need to limit either's choice. If the user doesn't like the author's choice of words or quoting habits, the user is free to change them. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

LPPL, take 2

2003-04-12 Thread Jeff Licquia
to comprise The Work. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-10 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2003-04-09 at 17:09, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 11:39:44AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Right, but as I just posted a little bit ago, a restriction to a problem domain is just one type of specificity. See the GPL, section 2c, for another, one that I think

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-10 Thread Jeff Licquia
be accompanied by a section under WHETHER AND HOW TO DISTRIBUTE WORKS UNDER THIS LICENSE talking about ways to ensure that derived works can adhere to 5.a.2. I'd really like to hear Frank or David's thoughts on this new wording, since we're moving into some different territory here. What do you think? -- Jeff

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
of the problem, though, involves programmatic interfaces for a program to identify itself as Standard LaTeX. It must be clear that any Derived Work not identifying itself as Standard LaTeX can be modified/distributed with only certain non-controversial restrictions (copyright notices, etc.) -- Jeff

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 22:24, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you do not acknowledge that a particular license might contain elements that are specific to the problem domain? I acknowledge it in principle, except it turns out that I don't buy

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 00:44, Walter Landry wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you do not acknowledge that a particular license might contain elements that are specific to the problem domain? Of course I don't acknowledge that. One of the wonderful things about free software

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
and non-free otherwise. On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jeff Licquia wrote: I acknowledge that this may be true. Regarding LaTeX, is it? I don't know. Does the current Base Format do any such validation? If so (or if it becomes so), then it's a problem. If not, then this clause is unnecessary

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
to insist that a license be clearly free in isolation. Do you want us to post a tarball of LaTeX? Alternatively, if you have questions about implementation, could you not ask the LaTeX people? I've seen David Carlisle, at least, post to this thread. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 20:49, Walter Landry wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 14:38, Walter Landry wrote: I get the feeling that this license is being considered only in the context of LaTeX, not in the context of all of free software. We can't say

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 17:59, Walter Landry wrote: I don't think that it is prohibitively complicated. I think it is impossible. The LaTeX people can't live with a free license. There is too little control. Well, I suppose there's no convincing someone who has made up their mind. -- Jeff

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 11:50, Mark Rafn wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2003, Jeff Licquia wrote: The filename limitations are now optional; 5.a.1 is one possibility of three. As for 5.a.2 and the programmatic identification strings, can you elaborate? Considering that much of the wording

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
not? We aren't proposing relicensing anything under this license except for LaTeX itself. Indeed, I would strongly advise against using this license for anything except for LaTeX-related things. That isn't relevant to whether LaTeX, licensed under this license, is free or not. -- Jeff Licquia

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
prefer that they use the GPL, personally, but that isn't going to happen. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 14:41, Mark Rafn wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Jeff Licquia wrote: That's basically the idea. *If* there is a validation mechanism, and *if* the module uses the validation mechanism to assert it is Standard LaTeX, then when you change the file, you must ensure

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Licquia
this problem? -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-02 Thread Jeff Licquia
The Work under a DWTFYW[0] license, plus the condition that it never be distributed as files named pig.* I believe this is correct. I'm curious what the reasoning is for this clause. I'll leave that to the LaTeX people to respond to, if they wish. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Revised LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL)

2003-04-01 Thread Jeff Licquia
I have attached a new working draft for the LaTeX Project Public License (LPPL) below. After the debate that took place months ago, I and several members of the LaTeX Project worked off and on towards solving the problems that had been raised before. This version, a near-total rewrite, is the

GNOME Font Copyright

2003-02-19 Thread Jeff Licquia
not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Font Software without prior written authorization from the Gnome Foundation or Bitstream, Inc., respectively. For further information, contact: fonts at gnome dot org. - -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#176267: ITP: mplayer -- Mplayer is a full-featured audioand video player for UN*X like systems

2003-01-29 Thread Jeff Licquia
situation with mplayer is as you say, then apt-get install mplayer should be a reality in a jiffy. That is your goal, right? Or are you (and others) just interested in slamming people when you say things like that? -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 11:52, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 03:05:04PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: I suppose it depends on whose resources are being wasted. Certainly the GNU project's resources aren't. Perhaps not directly. Who knows how many people who would otherwise

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-18 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 13:00, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:32:34PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Well, this is the GNU project we're talking about. How much GPL-incompatible software do they distribute? None that I know of. Are you ascribing to the GNU project

Re: GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-17 Thread Jeff Licquia
it depends on whose resources are being wasted. Certainly the GNU project's resources aren't. FWIW, porting to the native API didn't turn out to be difficult. If the GNU TLS project doesn't bend on the licensing issue, it might behoove us to write a Porting HOWTO, or some such. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL

Re: [gnutls-dev]GNU TLS OpenSSL compatibility layer under GPL, not LGPL

2003-01-07 Thread Jeff Licquia
or Andrew would please let me know what decision is reached, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your work. -- Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-06 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 01:12, Walter Landry wrote: Similar arguments were made during the KDE-Qt mess. There weren't any authors who were threatening anyone. I'm really not a big fan of hoping someone doesn't sue. Debian does that for patents because it wouldn't be able to function

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-06 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 17:11, Henning Makholm wrote: Yes, but do we then have any good-faith basis for assuming that one can use the files in a commercial product (such as a Debian cd-rom sold for profit) witout infringing anybody's copyright? Whose copyright? And how would they prove it?

Re: Bug#167747: proftpd-mysql: links against OpenSSL and GPL licensed libmysqlclient10

2002-11-06 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 08:45, Andreas Metzler wrote: Actually it is not that simple, libmysql/* is LGPL but mysqld_error.h which is included by net.c is GPL. That's silly. It's most likely an error. Can MySQL AB clarify it for us?

Re: cupsys + libssl + libgnutls = confusion.

2002-11-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 01:02, Andrew Lau wrote: I just looked at that cupsys-1.1.15/config-scripts/cups-openssl.m4 and I find no mention of GnuTLS in there at all. Then I took at look at debian/rules and noticed that cupsys isn't even built with SSL or TLS enabled. ./configure

Re: Aspell-en license Once again.

2002-11-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 13:54, Henning Makholm wrote: Man, you're way out. Some people (not all developers) point out that the Database Directive exists. Not a word has been said about it being supreme in any way. It exists. That is all. It that so har to grasp? Since we acknowledge that it

Re: New EULA of UnrealIRCd

2002-11-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 17:03, Sam Hartman wrote: But I have encountered click-through licenses that did not require me to agree to such conditions and that were click-throughs for DFSG licenses. I have never found a click-through for a GPL subset. http://easysw.com/htmldoc/software.php

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 15:33, David Turner wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 00:36, Jeff Licquia wrote: While the decision found that blueprints could consititute part of a substantial portion of the components, it was clear that paper and glue were also needed. It's not clear to me

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-24 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 19:34, David Turner wrote: I found a case which says that blueprints are components in the sense meant by (c) (well, actually (f), but it's the same language) above: Moore U.S.A. Inc. v. Standard Register, No. 98-CV-485C(F), 2001. I've uploaded it to

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-23 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 13:08, Walter Landry wrote: Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:58:50AM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: You have to take it out of whatever Debian distributes. I can download the the .orig.tar.gz file, so it can't be in that. Even if

Re: Debian in a commercial setting

2002-10-23 Thread Jeff Licquia
[I should point out that, though I am a Progeny employee, this is not an official statement from Progeny. I am speaking merely as a Debian developer, and not one vested with any official capacity beyond the normal privileges associated with membership in the project.] On Fri, 2002-10-18 at

Re: LZW patented file left in .orig.tar source package?

2002-10-23 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-10-23 at 15:58, David Turner wrote: 35 USC 271 says: (a) Except as otherwise provided in this title, whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention, within the United States or imports into the United States any patented invention during

Re: BSD license, core libraries, and NetBSD

2002-10-15 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 14:44, Henning Makholm wrote: The mind boggles. How does one abide with (3) without breaking (4)? The notice in (3) is a statement of fact, not an endorsement.

Re: Regarding linux-kernel-conf and Qt

2002-10-14 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Mon, 2002-10-14 at 08:05, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations on making the front page of Slashdot. It seems that you're referring to http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/02/10/12/1926242.shtml?tid=106 but I don't see any comments about

Re: The Open Source movement and Free Software movement are not the same

2002-10-11 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 18:38, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: Auke Jilderda wrote: 1. Free Software is geared towards idealism whereas Open Source aims for pragmatism. In my opinion, both are essential to making this the succes it is. (Personally, I tend a bit more towards Open Source

Re: cadaver licensing issues: openssl and GPL again

2002-10-11 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 19:28, Steve Langasek wrote: So the options are that you could secure a clarification of the GPL's OS exemption from the FSF, in the form of a new revision of the GPL, that permits what you're asking; or you can find a way to replace OpenSSL in the build with a library

Re: Free documentation using non-free preprocessor

2002-10-10 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 07:47, Florian Weimer wrote: What's the approach to documentation whose source code (preferred form of modification) is only available in a format for which no free compilers exist? For example, the Ada Reference Manual is written in a Scribe-like language. (Scribe

Re: South African Law on Crypto Providers

2002-10-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 21:20, Lukas Geyer wrote: The South African government passed a law (apparently two month ago) which requires all crypto providers to register with the government for some fee. The law can be found under http://co.za/ect/a25-02.pdf (this is ridiculously large, seems to be

Re: South African Law on Crypto Providers

2002-10-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 09:30, Joe Moore wrote: Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (quoting the relevant law) There is a definitions section, in which we find: - cryptography product means any product that makes use of cryptographic techniques and is used by a sender or recipient

Re: Bug#143063 acknowledged by developer (Bug#143063: fixed in mmix 1:0.0.20020615-3)

2002-10-03 Thread Jeff Licquia
(Sorry for the massive CCs; please let me know if you read the list and don't want more.) On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 08:18, Peter S Galbraith wrote: It has been argued (during the LaTeX license debate) that the license may require derived works to carry a different name refers to the software or

Re: what license is ?

2002-09-27 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 14:53, Glenn Maynard wrote: Read it as as an additional restriction, all additional materials mentioning ... It's still a restriction, and a cumbersome one. I don't recall what makes advertising clauses DFSG-free. Unenforcability? It doesn't violate DFSG 9, because

Re: is this DFSG?

2002-09-22 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 08:56, martin f krafft wrote: [please CC me on replies] Those whose work is in agreement with [1] may freely use, modify, or distribute this under the same terms. Those who don't may not. 1. http://www.debian.org/social_contract/ This

Re: Knuth statement on renaming cm files and Licence violation.

2002-09-05 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:40, Russ Allbery wrote: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Russ Allbery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And note that it begins with I decided to put these fonts into the public domain; all I have asked is

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-31 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2002-08-31 at 00:54, Nick Phillips wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 10:31:52PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Please point out exactly which section of the GPL would grant us such rights. Remember, rights not explicitly granted are withheld under default copyright law. 1. You may

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-31 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2002-08-31 at 10:18, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: If you took the obfuscated code, did your best to unobfuscate it by applying both automatic reformating and manual editing, and then made some functional changes in it, or even non-functional changes, such as adding comments, I think you

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-31 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sat, 2002-08-31 at 02:08, Nick Phillips wrote: On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 02:27:29AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: You're the one amending selected from those forms which are available to you. The GPL *doesn't say that*. Maybe it's your definition of source, but it's not the GPL's. I

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-30 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 18:44, Nick Phillips wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:19:35AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: While the copyright holder can certainly distribute obfuscated source and no one can tell him not to, the GNU GPL by which the licensees (i.e., we, and our users) are bound

Re: Bad license on VCG?

2002-08-30 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 20:42, Nick Phillips wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 07:57:50PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: Consider the case where a GPLed program is distributed with .o files that are linked in at link time. The author could say, under the same logic and with a straight face

Re: LaTeX License?

2002-08-28 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 09:50, C.M. Connelly wrote: JL == Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] WL == Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] JL There's a new draft floating around. It also has JL problems, but is closer to what we need, and I think the JL problems can be worked out. I owe

Re: LaTeX License?

2002-08-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 12:11, Walter Landry wrote: What is the current status of the LaTeX License? It seems like the LaTeX people and the Debian people have a fundamental disagreement. Is this the end of things? Is LaTeX going into non-free? There's a new draft floating around. It also has

Re: Non-free interpreted program based on a GPL library

2002-08-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-08-25 at 07:51, Josselin Mouette wrote: Let's consider that theoretical case (not that much theoretical, as I know a real case) : a GPL'ed library, say libmysqlclient, has bindings for an interpreter (python, PHP, perl). Then, there is a non-free software that makes use of these

Re: rsaeuro license change?

2002-08-11 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 06:54, Joe Drew wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 06:30, RSAEuro General wrote: The second problem is in Item 2, (ii,iii, and v), which restricts those who may wish to use the software for profit. These restrictions render the license incompatible with Free Software

Re: Font license recommendation

2002-08-11 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 14:30, Lars Hellström wrote: On 04 Aug 2002 20:22:11 -0500, Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 17:53, Lars Hellström wrote: FUD ? On what do you base your opinion that intent has any significance for whether the GPL allows an action? Well

Re: Font license recommendation

2002-08-11 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-09 at 17:47, Lars Hellström wrote: Whereas this in principle could affect the inclusion-of-font-in-PS matter, I doubt that it will in practice. It does however seem to me that this aspect has a direct application to another matter, namely that of tarballs. Jeff claimed in our

Re: GPL-script to be run on a non-free interpreter

2002-08-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 12:47, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 05:58:19PM +0200, Ralf Treinen wrote: When I sent my ITP on debian-devel today, Moshe Zadka claimed that even distributing maria-viz would be illegal.

Re: Font license recommendation

2002-08-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 17:24, Lars Hellström wrote: It odd to see such a conviction that this is aggregation, which is harmless here on this list, considering that it was recently claimed that a tarball (!) must be considered to be single work until proof of the contrary has been obtained,

Re: Font license recommendation

2002-08-04 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 17:53, Lars Hellström wrote: At 00.53 +0200 2002-08-03, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Lars Hellström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt this argument could work. However if it did then it certainly would provide a technical solution to the (obnoxious?) GPL

Re: Bug#154974: ITP: pt -- GTK+ tool for viewing/managing print jobs in CUPS

2002-08-02 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 10:58, Andrew Lau wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 12:34:56PM +0200, Grzegorz Prokopski wrote: W li?cie z ?ro, 31-07-2002, godz. 16:40, Andrew Lau pisze: Has the GPL been given additional OpenSSL exclusion clause or sth? Please clarify I've just checked the COPYING

Re: Bug#154974: ITP: pt -- GTK+ tool for viewing/managing print jobs in CUPS

2002-08-02 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-08-02 at 10:58, Andrew Lau wrote: As cups-pt (the current Debian package name)... Oh, one more thing. CUPS is a trademark of Easy Software Products. Now, Mike Sweet over there is a great guy and probably wouldn't try to whack you for using it in the package name, but you never

Re: Encoding the name in the file contents (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft)

2002-08-01 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 10:16, Mark Rafn wrote: If the situation allows for the renaming of only a few things--and only user commands, really--then I don't mind *that* much. If the situation requires the renaming of a jillion things, then I mind. I'd go further than Thomas. I'm torn

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 16:36, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] The license text would say something like this: - The Program may be modified in any way as long as one of the following conditions are met: - No part of Standard LaTeX is changed

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 11:58, Jeff Licquia wrote: On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 16:36, Henning Makholm wrote: If you want to modify a package [say, one that is not part of the core LaTeX distribution, but one whose author has independently put it under the LPPL], you must either 1

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 10:57, Branden Robinson wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 02:14:18PM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: The license text would say something like this: - The Program may be modified in any way as long as one of the following conditions are met: - No part

Re: Concluding the LPPL debate, try 2

2002-07-26 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 14:18, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 11:58:46AM -0500, Jeff Licquia wrote: That is correct. However, causing a hacked, non-renamed, non-retokened file to be loaded and run by Standard LaTeX would be a license violation. No. Only distributing

Re: Towards a new LPPL draft

2002-07-26 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 15:24, David Carlisle wrote: Jeff I've seen that some people include the LPPL 1.2 or any later version language into their license notice. Those people would be fine (although I would recommend that notice be given of this particular license change as a gesture

Re: Suggestion for dual-licensed LaTeX (was Re: Encoding the name in the file contents (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft))

2002-07-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 10:34, Brian Sniffen wrote: I'd like to suggest a licensing variant for LaTeX which uses a weakened form of the API restrictions discussed earlier. In its simplest form, this requires distribution of two versions of LaTeX. One is under a no-cost-but-proprietary

Re: Encoding the name in the file contents (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft)

2002-07-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
Jul 2002, Jeff Licquia wrote: I'm confused. How are they incompatible? They're incompatible because the intent is to write programs that check this string and behave differently if it does not give the forbidden-in-changed-works answer. Maybe I'm just dense, but I still don't see

Re: Encoding the name in the file contents (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft)

2002-07-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 13:08, Brian Sniffen wrote: On 25 Jul 2002 12:39:35 -0500, Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Maybe I'm just dense, but I still don't see the incompatibility. Can anyone else see it? Yes. Look at Microsoft's Trusted Computing plans: programs will identify

Re: Suggestion for dual-licensed LaTeX (was Re: Encoding the name in the file contents (was Re: Towards a new LPPL draft))

2002-07-25 Thread Jeff Licquia
On Thu, 2002-07-25 at 14:57, Boris Veytsman wrote: From: Brian Sniffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:49 -0400 All that's moot, as Knuth seems rather unlikely to change his license, and it's DFSG-free and compatible with the OpenTeX and FreeTeX ideas I proposed anyway.

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