Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-10 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
Yes, of course it is. But the license really only applies to that portion of the derivative that is your work. The term relicensing implies otherwise, which is why I object to it. why does it imply that? a licence is merely a contract; i can slap any licence i want on a public domain work,

Re: NEC Licence (Work of US Gov. Employees)

1999-06-07 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
ok, here's a thought: posit: if a work is a product of the us government, it is in the public domain. thus, anybody can reuse and relicence it in any way one wishes. for instance, you could grab any us government produced software and gpl it (or whatever lese you like) for a debian package. if

Re: non-English copyright

1999-06-07 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
hi, here are a few more thoughts. i'd ask for the original japanese licences as well but i'm afraid i'm not nearly fluent enough to be useful (yet ;p). Atsuhito Unless you delete the necessary files or modify them you Atsuhito can distribute and/or use freely. I'm not sure what the

Re: 6 GPL'ed Packages that depend on XForms.

1999-06-07 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
The only thing I'd add to John's paragraph is: You may link this software with XForms (Copyright (c) by T.C. Zhao and Mark Overmars). You are not required to include this paragraph in the license for derivatives of this software. I think such an amendment should also

Re: 6 GPL'ed Packages that depend on XForms.

1999-06-07 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
It't not justifying, it's *specifying*. If it does not say I'm allowed to distribute the with-xforms binaries, I cannot do so. If it only said, You can distribute binaries linked with xforms. I would be allowed to distribute said binaries without sources, which would open a barn door

Re: bzflag license

1999-06-05 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
3. A reasonable fee may be charged to copy this software. Any fee may be charged to support this software. This software may be distributed as part of a larger (possibly commercial) software distribution provided that no claim of ownership of this software is made.

Re: A Data License

1999-05-21 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
sounds to me like what you want is either the artistic licence, which is rather readable, and has few nastinesses (none in fact that are meaningful). the gnu gpl is also pretty close to what you want, especially if you want to really prevent people from for instance applying changes to your maps

Re: A Data License

1999-05-21 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
hm, at the time i wrote this my brain failed to pound into my fingers' minds that the fsf did in fact have a documentation licence. disregard the short rant in my previous mail.

Re: Abacus Portsentry License

1999-05-16 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
All distributed software, papers, and other works are free to use by any individual, organization, or commercial venture as long as the above conditions are agreed to. This software may be included with any freely distributed Operating System provided it is not sold separately

Re: Bug#37599: jdk1.1: no permission to distribute

1999-05-14 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
You need to have permission from Sun to grant the right of redistribution to those who receive copies from you. Right now it appears to me that you can give me a copy but but I cannot give a copy of my copy to anyone else. yeah, otherwise you can upload jdk to master but the mirrors can't

Re: Forking and relicensing issues (different)

1999-05-13 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
actually, be is not violating a licence. the bootloader/kernel use gnu malloc, which is lgpl'ed. they use gnu termcap and crypt as well, but only in telnet and top and they do publish the sources there. --p. For a price I'd do about anything, except pull the trigger: for that I'd need a pretty

Re: Forking and relicensing issues (different)

1999-05-10 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
On Mon, May 10, 1999 at 09:22:18AM -0400, Nils Lohner wrote: I have a question along the same lines, but in a different area. I'm pretty sure situations like this have come up before, but I don't know how they were handled. This is just from a discussion I had with someone. Can

Re: Forking and relicensing issues (different)

1999-05-10 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
However in the case of the objective C compiler I cannot see what would legally prevent the NeXT model. NeXT would distribute GPL'ed source code; which they are allowed to. They would also distribute some proprietary object files which just happened to be able to link together with the GPL'ed

Re: YAL (Yet another license)

1999-05-05 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
The quick glance I gave this [OpenXML Public License (Draft)] didn't seem to uncover any problems, but since it is long and convoluted I figured I'd post it here to get some more eyes on it. Looks like the GPL rewritten by a lawyer being paid by the word. I'd say it is free, and almost

Re: Interesting Licensing Issue -- Crafty

1999-05-04 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
Again assuming an otherwise Debian free license, can Prof. Hyatt add a restriction that all chess tournaments entries based upon his original source be clearly labeled and entered as Crafty or a Crafty clone and still be Debian free. he can certainly require a statement that it is based on

Re: licence of LDP

1999-04-13 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
John Hasler wrote: Andrea Fanfani writes: Now I have to package the other guides (user guide, network guide, kernel guide etc. etc.). this books are under the licence of ldp... and I need a definitive opinion: the licence of linux documentation project is or not DFSG compliant ? The

Re: about logos

1999-04-07 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
[ migrated from -vote to -legal; ionutz, i've cc'ed you too because i don't know if you're on the list. ] About modifying the logos now: I am curious on one thing: if I can modify the liberal one, I can make it look like the official one. For the swirl: I remove the botle and make the swirl

Re: MWPL - Metrowerkz Publick License

1999-03-31 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
well, the mwpl does not explicitly make linking a derivation, so it does have the 'link-with-non-free-modifications' loophole a la npl. however, i do like the fact (at least i do when i'm wearing my gpl-liking hat, which is sometimes) that it requires contributors to licence their modifications

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-29 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
It is clause 3 in ash's license that creates incompatibility with the GPL. i was of the opinion that it's clause 4 (all advertisements must include) rather than clause 3 (you may not refer to ... in advertisements) that causes problems? at least according to rms' opinion, as expressed on

Re: The APSL and Export Controls

1999-03-29 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
Also, the trailer: In any event, you must be of majority age and otherwise competent to enter into contracts to accept this license. fails DFSG point (5). There's no point telling me why apple added this clause - I do understand why. Nonetheless, IMO, it fails point (5). ditto for the

Re: The APSL and Export Controls

1999-03-29 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
you keep arguing about whether the notification clause is free or not with the excuse what if it can't be done? that's not imho why it's not free. it is non free because it requires those who wish to distribute modified code to perform a service for a particular entity, apple. whether this is

Re: The APSL and Export Controls

1999-03-29 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
it is non free because it requires those who wish to distribute modified code to perform a service for a particular entity, apple. So does the BSD advertising clause. subtle difference: the bsd advertising clause (which few people like anyway) only requires a service for -advertisement-.

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-28 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
As I'm sure you know, it's perfectly legal to combine GPL and X and BSD code into the same program. yes, but one has to change the license of the final work in ways that authors are sometimes unwilling and/or unable (ie the original author does not exist/cannot be found) to do, for one reason

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-28 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
[...] I am almost frightened by the number of people who have never READ the GPL and yet they release code under it... How many such people do you know? at least one; i know that before i read the gpl (which was, coincidentally, when i started learning perl and discovered that it had a

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-28 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
hm, perhaps five pages is a bit long. i'll try to make this one a bit more clear. ;) * the problem: the most popular available copyleft licence around has severe compatibility issues, even with other free software (more silly arguments on the exact extent of this is not really productive; we

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-27 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
in a pathetic attempt to reign this flamewar in a bit, i'm going to offer a few (ok, realliy just one, but it's big ;p) simple, factual objections to the gpl, which knightbrd and i have both made at least twice, although the arguments have occasionally been lost in the midst of a sea of aspersions

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-24 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
The bigger issue is then are we permitted to mix GPL and _MOST ANYTHING ELSE_ at all? Based on the email from RMS in December, no we aren't. correct; the gpl doesn't allow itself to be mixed with any licenses of 'lesser blood'. i guess that would make rms feel dirty or something. ;) If

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-24 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
It's a big problem because I see it? =p no... it was a big problem before, but people may remember things when you say them (for instance, i've made the exact same rant as yours this month. i proposed the same solution to the license problem. raise your hand if you remember that...) it also

Re: What exactly is Derivative ?

1999-03-23 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Remove gcc and try to compile again. It won't work. Does that mean the binary is a derivative of gcc? that's actually an interesting question, though its answer has fairly obviously been answered long ago. gcc *does* do some fairly unique things

Re: APSL Hidden Nasty's

1999-03-19 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A more serious question is whether a minor can license his own work without his guardian's consent. I don't think he can. I think that a court would rule that in doing so he is giving up valuable rights and that he is not competent

Re: DNSsafe license

1999-03-17 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It means that someone else can't borrow the DNSsafe library from BIND without negotiating a different license with RSA. However, I fail to see how this restricts distribution of modified versions of BIND in any way. it does: removing everything

Re: Patents and revocation clauses

1999-03-16 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - someday company B steps forward with an obscure algorithm patent that IBM unknowingly violated in their original source code. - if IBM cannot then revoke the wold-be-free license it could end up being stuck with giving people permission

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-14 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
I don't believe that it is. it's not gpl compatible in that you can't take a work that's partially qpl and partially gpl and license it under either one. such is the nature of the infective copyleft. (see below for a short rant on this subject). however it -does- seem dfsg-free to me (because

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-14 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
Er.. First: this contradicts your statement about BSD software being relicensable. sorry, i should have said some licenses; namely most existing copylefts. Second: even the GPL doesn't force you to put the derived work under the GPL -- except for the part which is already GPL, the rest of

Re: Recently released QPL

1999-03-14 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
No, it says that the work as a whole must be licensed [to ... ] under the TERMS of the gpl. The rights granted in the GPL have to be available to everyone, but if another license grants those terms that's fine. Then again, this distinction might not matter to you. hm. now that i check i