), but I think the AGPL is particularly
weak (at least the A part is).
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On Saturday 07 February 2009 06:21:55 Colin Turner wrote:
... the code is so astonishingly trivial ...
Given this, why not just take 10 minutes and reimplement it?
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issue and members of that community
(including individuals involved with Debian) ought to work with upstream to
help them acknowledge and rectifty the situation.
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to relicense. It otherwise isn't really any different.
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in the
keyrings don't fall under any copyright. Ops!
Maybe there are other reasons, but let's not pretend we're keeping
debian-backports-keyring out because it's not free software.
(Personally, I think all keyrings are fine.)
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apply to *all* AGPLv3
programs.
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undistributable because they are derivitive works of
several licenses with incompatible requirements.
Footnotes:
[1] Or BSD, or GPLv3, or Apache, or ...
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of the offending code.
Footnotes:
[1] Glossing over how this example trivial change is not copyrightable
anyway. I'm assuming as you probably are that this whole thing is an
analogy for much more major changes.
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that is source code, i.e. the preferred form of the work
for making modifications to it.
For all non-source kinds of derivative works, see section 6.
These sections use terms like source code and object code which are
defined quite clearly in section 1.
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, record yourself saying uh-oh and speed it
way up[2] with audacity. Problem solved. =)
[1] Apparently; I never checked the md5sums or anything.
[2] Maybe this is what ICQ did. Who knows?
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OpenClipart, from
KDE or GNOME, etc.
There is no dearth of good freely licensed icons out there.
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.
Anyway, you could possibly argue either way if the .elc file is make a
derived work by linking to emacs. But the .el file by itself is
unquestionably not a derived work and could be under any license at all.
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On Sunday 03 June 2007 09:05:05 Francesco Poli wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:38:09 -0600 Wesley J. Landaker wrote:
Well, maybe that is changing ... the latest draft says in the
Preample:
The GNU General Public License is a free, copyleft license for
software and other kinds of works
about societies without money? fee does NOT equal money.
Your common knowledge is not my understanding ...
Okay, now I'm really curious. Exactly which societies without money are
you talking about?
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and Source, but still, they used the works Program and Source. And
they apparently believe that documentation is not part of other kinds of
works, hence the GFDL[1].
[1] Which IMO is mostly benign, but still pointless.
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the GFDL
for compatibility with something, dual-licensing both GFDL and GPL.
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-nazi, but these seem pretty cut-and-dried non-free.
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story or
plot would not. The same is true of characters, with some caveats.
Obviously copied dialog, graphics, or sound from a non-free source would be
a problem.
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itself is very GPLv3-esque, so I don't see why
it wouldn't be DFSG free[1].
[1] Cue someone who will point out a billion reasons why they think similar
clauses in GPLv3 drafts aren't DFSG.
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is DFSG-free.
Anyway, I'm not going to get into a big debate about it. The OP is just
going to have to decide, and if the upload the package, the ftp-masters
will have to decide what they believe.
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to inadvertently introduce non-free stuff into the game.
It's DFSG free, but it doesn't seem GPL compatible because of #3. I could
see the documentation being under a different license as the code being
slightly annoying, but not a DFSG problem.
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necessarily must be interpreted. The license doesn't say
anything about the form that the *author* prefers.
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the artwork anyway
(ideally, but not necessarily upstream), otherwise regardless of legality
and how good the game is, it screams I am a cheap ripoff. =)
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scratch.
(And no, unfortunately GHDL isn't going to be in etch no matter what,
because of an unresolved bug in GNU ld on ia64 and now the freeze.)
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into the
debian/copyright file:
Original software, Copyright 200x Upstream Author
Upstream license text
+
+Debian packaging, Copyright 200x Package Maintainer
+ Packaging license text
What do other folks think?
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it be possible to be uploaded to the non-free repository
instead?
The spirit of the license (especially given the heavy-handed preample)
doesn't feel like main material to me.
I think it's clearly distributable in non-free, however.
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not sure if it can be used freely, I
couldn't find a license statement or something.
It's simply a list of facts, so it's not copyrightable.
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nothing do to with the DFSG, except by
quite a big a stretch of the imagination.
Not to say it's not a valuable thought experiment in some cases, but it sure
isn't the great canonical test that some people here seem to think it is.
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note that the FSF believes[1] that the QPL is a free
license; but it's not GPL compatible.
[1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
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from the
website. Hope that solves all the problems with the IFRIT licenses.
It's good that they did, but even if they didn't, the license in each
file of the *actual software* has no such non-free clause. =)
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improperly I have been ready to join a lawsuit that somebody
else initiates. So far people have tended to back down.
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