Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The venue could make significant difference here, because the licensor could be terribly wrong in one jurisdiction and correct in another. That's a problem with choice of law, not choice of venue. Furthermore you can hadly measure whether the licensor

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
Cc'ing because I forgot to look and mdpoole cc'd. Please do not cc me on replies to debian-legal. Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any document that describes why debian considers CDDL[1] to not be DFSG compliant (if that statement still holds true)? There is no single document

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
Hi all, MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 11:56,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could find only a lot of FUD and inconsistencies on various blogs wrt/ choice of venue paragraph present in CDDL. Different people have different opinions. That should not surprise anyone. We are not a

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fair enough, but if ftpmasters decide on inclusion/exclusion of certain software, there should at least be common consensus concerting certain license. Yes, there should be, but I doubt everyone gets it right every time and ftpmasters are not exactly

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 15:23,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do understand it in this way: - c-o-v as required by paragraph 9. of CDDL is a note attached to the license itself, to my understanding you can put there any jurisdiction you want (you as the author or contributor),

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 17:01, Martin Man wrote: MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 15:23,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --cut-- the original package in question was cdrtools by Joerg Schelling, Joerg was claiming that debian refuses to upgrade to a newer version of his sources because of

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
Hi George, George Danchev wrote On 2006-08-09 16:22,: On Wednesday 09 August 2006 17:01, Martin Man wrote: MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 15:23,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --cut-- the original package in question was cdrtools by Joerg Schelling, Joerg was claiming that debian

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Martin Man writes: Hi all, MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 11:56,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could find only a lot of FUD and inconsistencies on various blogs wrt/ choice of venue paragraph present in CDDL. Different people have different opinions. That should not surprise

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor trying to get some advantage, such as being able to use

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 18:49, Matthew Garrett wrote: Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An evil author (as copyright holder) despite his limited resources could cause lots of damage to a large company which has never violated his copyrights. This is even more scary. Someone of sufficient evilness can do that whether they're acting

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An evil author (as copyright holder) despite his limited resources could cause lots of damage to a large company which has never violated his copyrights. This is even more scary. Someone of sufficient evilness can do that

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody can or will *stop* someone else from lying. But the liar can face penalties from the legal system: sanctions; liability for malicious prosecution and/or perjury; for the lawyer, potential disbarment. These go away if the license explicitly

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody can or will *stop* someone else from lying. But the liar can face penalties from the legal system: sanctions; liability for malicious prosecution and/or perjury; for the lawyer, potential disbarment. These go away if

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006, Matthew Garrett wrote: Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor trying to

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
On Thursday 10 August 2006 01:07, Matthew Garrett wrote: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody can or will *stop* someone else from lying. But the liar can face penalties from the legal system: sanctions; liability for malicious prosecution and/or perjury; for the lawyer, potential

[Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-08 Thread Martin Man
Forwarding once again my email, since it seems it has not gone through to the list for the first time. ---BeginMessage--- Hi all, I was searching around the web regadring the $subj, but I was unable to find any official statement from Debian concerning the issue. Is there any document that

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-08 Thread Michael Poole
Martin Man writes: Forwarding once again my email, since it seems it has not gone through to the list for the first time. From: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Debian and CDDL and DFSG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnusol-users@gnusolaris.org Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:02:49 +0200 Hi all,