Re: Do we need to hide packages in NEW queue (Was: Lottery NEW queue (Re: Are libraries with bumped SONAME subject of inspection of ftpmaster or not))

2022-01-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 07:38:10 +0100 Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 01:45:11PM -0800 schrieb Russ Allbery: [...] > > The question, which keeps being raised in part > > because I don't think it's gotten a good answer, is what the basis is for > > treating copyright and licensing bugs

Re: Do we need to hide packages in NEW queue (Was: Lottery NEW queue (Re: Are libraries with bumped SONAME subject of inspection of ftpmaster or not))

2022-01-26 Thread Philip Hands
Andreas Tille writes: ... > May be some intermediate step would be to not hide packages in NEW queue > but exposing them as an apt source. If I'm correct this is not the case > since it had certain legal consequences for the project if code with > certain non-free licenses would be downloadable

Do we need to hide packages in NEW queue (Was: Lottery NEW queue (Re: Are libraries with bumped SONAME subject of inspection of ftpmaster or not))

2022-01-25 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 01:45:11PM -0800 schrieb Russ Allbery: > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > > > I just don't think the solution is to ignore copyright or licensing > > statements. > > That's not the goal. The question, which keeps being raised in part > because I don't think it's gotten a good

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2016-09-20 Thread Jennifer Nielsen
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2006-01-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
if there is any patent (held by the Initial Developer or a Contributor) that covers the code, it makes it non-free, as then modification is not permitted. https://biospice.org/visitor/documents/BioCOMPLicense.pdf -- Lionel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

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Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
else can choose between the GPL and the MIT license. In opened software, We are all developers. I think he meant to say the copyright holder. In free software, we are not all the copyright holder. -- Glenn Maynard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-06 Thread Andrew Donnellan
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Re: [no subject]

2005-11-05 Thread Lewis Jardine
they still choose either? Does this change if the way you distributed the work is not compatible with the other license? Does this change if you modified the work? -- Lewis Jardine IANAL, IANADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

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Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-05 Thread Justin Pryzby
, the requirements are extremely loose; something to the effect of: You can do whatever you want, in any one of 3 different ways d/l == download? -- Clear skies, Justin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [no subject]

2005-11-04 Thread Lewis Jardine
is supposed to be doing: preserving the freedom to modify. This would be curtailed if to modify a book you first had to scan and OCR it. -- Lewis Jardine IANAL, IANADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
the terms of the GPL license. You get to choose. Its like the gpl version 2 or later clause: at your option. -- Clear skies, Justin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/5/05, Justin Pryzby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 06:28:02PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 11/4/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Colbus wrote: My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies could have been considered not

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Arc Riley
-holder who licenses their contribution under the (L)GPL may, and that's politically bad for all of us. More than you probobally wanted to know on the subject, but hope it clears up all the confusion on the issue. :-) -- Diversity is the Fuel of Evolution, Conformity its Starvation. Be Radical

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
politically bad for all of us. More than you probobally wanted to know on the subject, but hope it clears up all the confusion on the issue. :-) -- Diversity is the Fuel of Evolution, Conformity its Starvation. Be Radical. Be New. Be Different. Feed Evolution with Everything You

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
, release it under the GPL and not release source if I want. (Nobody else could redistribute it, so it'd be a silly thing to do, but I could do it.) -- Glenn Maynard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Arc
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Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
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Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Justin Pryzby
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Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
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2005-11-04 Thread Raul Miller
On 11/4/05, Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Tangentially, could someone please clarify this: to pass on the work dual-licensed, do you need to comply with both licenses, or does the copyright statement attached to the work that you've legitimately distributed under one of the licenses

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Glenn Maynard
the copyright holders themselves, I'd suspect many people--at least, those paying attention--would quickly run away from it. You'd have uphill convincing to do, though, since common understanding is the opposite of your claim. It'd be interesting to see what Eben Moglen would say on the subject

Re: dual licensing (was: Re: [no subject])

2005-11-04 Thread Andrew Donnellan
holders themselves, I'd suspect many people--at least, those paying attention--would quickly run away from it. You'd have uphill convincing to do, though, since common understanding is the opposite of your claim. It'd be interesting to see what Eben Moglen would say on the subject. Feel free

Re: [no subject]

2005-11-03 Thread Nathanael Nerode
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Re: [no subject]

2005-11-03 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 11/4/05, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emmanuel Colbus wrote: My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies could have been considered not free, but undistributable, as the GPL is supposed to apply to software, not to documents. Any collection of bits is

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Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-10-02 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:22:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free software. I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger. When the GNU Project

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-10-01 Thread Richard Stallman
I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free software. I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger. When the GNU Project started, there was no other organized effort to make software free. We

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-10-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free software. I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger. When the GNU Project started, there was no

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-30 Thread Richard Stallman
The Free Software Foundation built the free software community, years before Debian was started, This is at least much of a nasty cheap shot as what I said. And you've done it before. It is not a shot at all. I was defending the FSF from an accusation, not attacking Debian.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I didn't say that. I said we built the community, which we did by pushing for free software when nobody else did. Of course, many others have contributed since then. I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free software.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain. I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one) which addresses that issue. 2) Because we want to be able to combine works from different sources,

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-29 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different? That is a cheap shot, because it

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Here's the test. I want to write a brand new program. I insist it be free software, but I am otherwise entirely agnostic about which free software license I use. I will use any license. I want to incorporate parts of a GFDL'd

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-26 Thread Richard Stallman
1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain. I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one) which addresses that issue. 2) Because we want to be able to combine works from different sources, As I explained, this desire is usually impossible

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-26 Thread Richard Stallman
Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different? That is a cheap shot, because it reflects only your decision to be nasty. I could make

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-26 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain. I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one) which addresses that issue. By saying everything has ambiguous and uncertain borders. But hey! We don't

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-26 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: We reject the GFDL because it is not merely incomptability of licenses. Here's the test. I want to write a brand new program. I insist it be free software, but I am otherwise entirely agnostic about which free software license I use. I will use any license. I

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-24 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You've asked me to explain why the criteria for free documentation licenses should be different from free software licenses (or, as you would perhaps put it, free computer program licenses). I would rather ask why they should be the same, since they

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-24 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different? That is a cheap shot, because it reflects

Why documentation and programs should be treated alike (was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2003-09-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
RMS wote: For the sake of avoiding confusion, please note that I use software in the meaning I believe is standard, referring to computer programs only. This is not what I believe to be the standard meaning or the historically correct meaning, but thanks for avoiding confusion. The main

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
RMS wrote: The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision. Out of curiosity, where *is* it the issue? As a GNU Project contributor who disapproves of GFDL Invariant Sections, and knowing quite a few other GNU

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On 2003-09-21 23:33:41 +0100 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the word. Not at all. It is the original and proper meaning, as far as I can tell. It seems to be a neologism created

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Steve Dobson
Mathieu On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:30:41AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition) you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of Debian is to provide an Operating System,

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 07:30:41 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition) you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of Debian is to provide an Operating System, isn't it? See

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
Steve Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Mathieu On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:30:41AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition) you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 10:38:18 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I feel free enough when I can redistribute as I will a political essay from someone else. If I feel a need to edit that essay, I just start writing my own essay Some people feel the same about software in general. It is

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Mathieu Roy
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On 2003-09-22 10:38:18 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I feel free enough when I can redistribute as I will a political essay from someone else. If I feel a need to edit that essay, I just start writing my own essay Some people feel

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lun 22/09/2003 à 08:30, Mathieu Roy a écrit : Apparently it's clear that Debian do not consider that his very own logo must be free software -- that's right, you do not need a logo at all to have a complete free operating system. If Debian already recognize that non-program software can be

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Mathieu Roy wrote: Well, when I read a text, I have all the means necessary to understand how the idea works. Not with a program unless I get the source. We consider even trivial software such as Hello world to be worthy of Freeness, even though in this case you have everything necessary to

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:10:07AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-09-22 07:30:41 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition) you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of Debian is to provide an

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Richard Stallman
None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program and documentation, as far as I can tell. Hello is an example program. It is difficult to deal with such grey areas and I assume that it requires a case-by-case review. I have never found it

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 18:10:18 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.debian.org/vote/1999/vote_0002 Interesting. Did anyone spot that it seems not to meet DFSG? A casual search with vote;logo;dfsg of vote/legal/devel/user/project/policy returns no matches for the quarter

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Steve Dobson
Mathieu On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: Steve Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : The Social Contract is about producing the Debian system and other works that provide a useful platform for our users. The Operating System is just part of that work. I see

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-22 12:34:27 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when I read a text, I have all the means necessary to understand how the idea works. Not with a program unless I get the source. It depends on the program, but if you have the source, you do not feel that you need to the

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program and documentation, as far as I can tell. Hello is an example program. Yes... and thus both program and documentation. It is difficult to deal with such

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 18:33, Richard Stallman wrote: If you publish or distribute Opaque copies of the Document numbering more than 100, you must either include a machine-readable Transparent copy along with each Opaque copy, could indeed be read differently than the GPL. I

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-21 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 01:14 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only distribution under section 3, do you still hold that position? GPL 3b and 3c deal with that quite nicely. Debian, for

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Stallman
Manuals, essays, licenses, and logos *encoded as bits on a computer* are software. Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the word. I don't think that is the best way to interpret the DFSG, because it leads to unnecessary inflexibility. I do not try to tell the

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-21 Thread Richard Stallman
I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only distribution under section 3, do you still hold that position? GPL 3b and 3c deal with that quite nicely. Debian, for example, distributes its GPL'd software by offering the source on the same medium. If you

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-21 Thread Steve Dobson
of Computing has much more to say on the subject and while it is not common usage it does allow that documentation (both paper and electronic) is also software. While you may not use the term software in this way the DFSG is _not_ breaking the rules of English by using the wider meaning. Steve [1

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-21 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-21 23:33:41 +0100 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the word. Not at all. It is the original and proper meaning, as far as I can tell. It seems to be a neologism created to cover all things stored in the

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-20 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted. Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant... I'm

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Richard Stallman wrote: Yes. Debian will remain 100% free software. That's the first line of the Debian Social Contract. This means that everything in Debian must be free *software*. That is one possible interpretation, but since it is based on asserting that manuals, essays,

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Walter Landry
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:05, Walter Landry wrote: The definition of transparent is similar to, but not the same as source. For example, the source for a LyX document is not transparent. I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian, I'm

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:05, Richard Stallman wrote: That is why I recently asked to hear from Debian developers whether they are still making up their minds about the matter and whether they are interested in what I have to say about it. If this is generally not the case, I will stop

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian W. Carver
Anthony DeRobertis writes: I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source code as well as compiled form'. That's what I'd like

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anthony DeRobertis writes: I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source code as

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision. You are arguing that you should have a voice in what Debian does. I have said nothing of the kind.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted. Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant... I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-09-17 20:34:13 +0100 Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's good to hear. Of course another related concern is forward-looking. It is a terrible waste of scare resources to have Debian create a DFSG-free manual every time a GFDL-licensed manual is produced for some new piece

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision. You are arguing that you should have a voice in what Debian does. I have said nothing of the kind. The Debian developers decide what Debian does, and

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
You have mistaken the objection. There is no reason to think it would be a small fractional increase, especially since little parts of manuals--single paragraphs even--are useful reusable bits just in the way that single functions of Lisp are.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
The argument for that is that there are many such manuals and they would be useful to include, and the DFSG can be interpreted to accept it. The arguments appear to be: 1) There are many GFDL manuals. 2) The many GFDL manuals would be useful to include. That's two

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Richard Stallman
I couldn't believe that RMS actually wrote that when I read it. You shouldn't have believed I actually wrote that, because he misunderstood what I wrote. He omitted a crucial part of the argument, so that what remained was absurd; then he went on at length pointing out just how absurd it

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thursday 18 September 2003 13:05, Richard Stallman wrote: I am not interested in beating a dead horse. You have been for at least a whole week. Please stop that. Thanks. Mike

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread D. Starner
The arguments appear to be: 1) There are many GFDL manuals. 2) The many GFDL manuals would be useful to include. That's two parts out of the three I mentioned, and the third part is crucial. But they are an irrelevant two parts. If Joe Blow writes a license for his program or

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The argument for that is that there are many such manuals and they would be useful to include, and the DFSG can be interpreted to accept it. The arguments appear to be: 1) There are many GFDL manuals. 2) The many GFDL

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian, I'm not sure how that follows. Could you elaborate?

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian, I'm

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Walter Landry
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code as well as compiled form. Brian,

Re: Unidentified subject!

2003-09-18 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:05, Walter Landry wrote: The definition of transparent is similar to, but not the same as source. For example, the source for a LyX document is not transparent. I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out that problem. But that's not what

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