On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 07:38:10 +0100 Andreas Tille wrote:
> Am Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 01:45:11PM -0800 schrieb Russ Allbery:
[...]
> > The question, which keeps being raised in part
> > because I don't think it's gotten a good answer, is what the basis is for
> > treating copyright and licensing bugs
Andreas Tille writes:
...
> May be some intermediate step would be to not hide packages in NEW queue
> but exposing them as an apt source. If I'm correct this is not the case
> since it had certain legal consequences for the project if code with
> certain non-free licenses would be downloadable
Am Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 01:45:11PM -0800 schrieb Russ Allbery:
> Jonas Smedegaard writes:
>
> > I just don't think the solution is to ignore copyright or licensing
> > statements.
>
> That's not the goal. The question, which keeps being raised in part
> because I don't think it's gotten a good
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Contributor) that covers the code, it makes it non-free, as then
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I think he meant to say the copyright holder. In free software, we are
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Does this change if the way you distributed the work is not compatible
with the other license?
Does this change if you modified the work?
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Emmanuel Colbus wrote:
My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies
could have been considered not
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On 11/4/05, Lewis Jardine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Tangentially, could someone please clarify this: to pass on the work
dual-licensed, do you need to comply with both licenses, or does the
copyright statement attached to the work that you've legitimately
distributed under one of the licenses
the copyright holders themselves, I'd suspect many people--at
least, those paying attention--would quickly run away from it. You'd
have uphill convincing to do, though, since common understanding is the
opposite of your claim.
It'd be interesting to see what Eben Moglen would say on the subject
holders themselves, I'd suspect many people--at
least, those paying attention--would quickly run away from it. You'd
have uphill convincing to do, though, since common understanding is the
opposite of your claim.
It'd be interesting to see what Eben Moglen would say on the subject.
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Emmanuel Colbus wrote:
My main concern about this was that such relicensed copies
could have been considered not free, but undistributable, as the GPL is
supposed to apply to
software, not to documents.
Any collection of bits is
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On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:22:25PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free
software.
I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the
GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger.
When the GNU Project
I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free
software.
I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the
GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger.
When the GNU Project started, there was no other organized effort
to make software free. We
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free
software.
I should have said the GNU Project rather than the FSF, since the
GNU Project led to FSF and has always been larger.
When the GNU Project started, there was no
The Free Software Foundation built the free software community,
years before Debian was started,
This is at least much of a nasty cheap shot as what I said. And
you've done it before.
It is not a shot at all. I was defending the FSF from an
accusation, not attacking Debian.
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't say that. I said we built the community, which we did by
pushing for free software when nobody else did. Of course, many
others have contributed since then.
I believe there was never a time when only the FSF pushed for free
software.
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain.
I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one)
which addresses that issue.
2) Because we want to be able to combine works from different sources,
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the
object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the
Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different?
That is a cheap shot, because it
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 20:17, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
Here's the test. I want to write a brand new program. I insist it be
free software, but I am otherwise entirely agnostic about which free
software license I use. I will use any license.
I want to incorporate parts of a GFDL'd
1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain.
I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one)
which addresses that issue.
2) Because we want to be able to combine works from different sources,
As I explained, this desire is usually impossible
Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the
object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the
Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different?
That is a cheap shot, because it reflects only your decision to be
nasty. I could make
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) Because the borders between the cases are ambiguous and uncertain.
I sent a message a day or two ago (perhaps after you sent this one)
which addresses that issue.
By saying everything has ambiguous and uncertain borders. But hey!
We don't
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
We reject the GFDL because it is not merely incomptability of
licenses.
Here's the test. I want to write a brand new program. I insist it be
free software, but I am otherwise entirely agnostic about which free
software license I use. I will use any license.
I
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You've asked me to explain why the criteria for free documentation
licenses should be different from free software licenses (or, as you
would perhaps put it, free computer program licenses). I would rather
ask why they should be the same, since they
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your casual suggestion to pick whichever seems better leaves out the
object: better for whom? For the Free Software community? For the
Free Software Foundation, whose goals are quite different?
That is a cheap shot, because it reflects
RMS wote:
For the sake of avoiding confusion, please note that I use software
in the meaning I believe is standard, referring to computer programs
only.
This is not what I believe to be the standard meaning or the historically
correct meaning, but thanks for avoiding confusion.
The main
RMS wrote:
The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue
here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision.
Out of curiosity, where *is* it the issue? As a GNU Project
contributor who disapproves of GFDL Invariant Sections, and knowing
quite a few other GNU
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
On 2003-09-21 23:33:41 +0100 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the
word.
Not at all. It is the original and proper meaning, as far as I can
tell. It seems to be a neologism created
Mathieu
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:30:41AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition)
you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of
Debian is to provide an Operating System,
On 2003-09-22 07:30:41 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition)
you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of
Debian is to provide an Operating System, isn't it?
See
Steve Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
Mathieu
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:30:41AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition)
you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal
On 2003-09-22 10:38:18 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I feel free enough when I can redistribute as I will a
political essay from someone else. If I feel a need to edit that
essay, I just start writing my own essay
Some people feel the same about software in general. It is
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
On 2003-09-22 10:38:18 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
I feel free enough when I can redistribute as I will a
political essay from someone else. If I feel a need to edit that
essay, I just start writing my own essay
Some people feel
Le lun 22/09/2003 à 08:30, Mathieu Roy a écrit :
Apparently it's clear that Debian do not consider that his very own
logo must be free software -- that's right, you do not need a logo at
all to have a complete free operating system.
If Debian already recognize that non-program software can be
Mathieu Roy wrote:
Well, when I read a text, I have all the means necessary to understand
how the idea works. Not with a program unless I get the source.
We consider even trivial software such as Hello world to be worthy of
Freeness, even though in this case you have everything necessary to
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:10:07AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
On 2003-09-22 07:30:41 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And do you really think that every software (of your wide definition)
you can have on computer is part of the Operating System? The goal of
Debian is to provide an
None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program
and documentation, as far as I can tell.
Hello is an example program.
It is difficult
to deal with such grey areas and I assume that it requires a
case-by-case review.
I have never found it
On 2003-09-22 18:10:18 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.debian.org/vote/1999/vote_0002
Interesting. Did anyone spot that it seems not to meet DFSG? A
casual search with vote;logo;dfsg of
vote/legal/devel/user/project/policy returns no matches for the
quarter
Mathieu
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote:
Steve Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté :
The Social Contract is about producing the Debian system and other
works that provide a useful platform for our users. The Operating
System is just part of that work.
I see
On 2003-09-22 12:34:27 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, when I read a text, I have all the means necessary to understand
how the idea works. Not with a program unless I get the source.
It depends on the program, but if you have the source, you do not feel
that you need to the
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
None of these differences correctly classifies Hello as both a program
and documentation, as far as I can tell.
Hello is an example program.
Yes... and thus both program and documentation.
It is difficult
to deal with such
On Sun, 2003-09-21 at 18:33, Richard Stallman wrote:
If you publish or distribute Opaque copies of the Document numbering
more than 100, you must either include a machine-readable Transparent
copy along with each Opaque copy, could indeed be read differently
than the GPL. I
On Saturday, Sep 20, 2003, at 01:14 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only distribution
under section 3, do you still hold that position?
GPL 3b and 3c deal with that quite nicely. Debian, for
Manuals, essays, licenses, and logos *encoded as bits on a
computer* are software.
Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the
word. I don't think that is the best way to interpret the DFSG,
because it leads to unnecessary inflexibility.
I do not try to tell the
I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only distribution
under section 3, do you still hold that position?
GPL 3b and 3c deal with that quite nicely. Debian, for example,
distributes its GPL'd software by offering the source on the same
medium.
If you
of Computing has much more to say on
the subject and while it is not common usage it does allow that
documentation (both paper and electronic) is also software.
While you may not use the term software in this way the DFSG is
_not_ breaking the rules of English by using the wider meaning.
Steve
[1
On 2003-09-21 23:33:41 +0100 Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Defining all these thing as software is a peculiar way to use the
word.
Not at all. It is the original and proper meaning, as far as I can
tell. It seems to be a neologism created to cover all things stored
in the
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of
DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted.
Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant...
I'm
Richard Stallman wrote:
Yes. Debian will remain 100% free software. That's the first line of the
Debian Social Contract. This means that everything in Debian must be free
*software*.
That is one possible interpretation, but since it is based on
asserting that manuals, essays,
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:05, Walter Landry wrote:
The definition of transparent is similar to, but not the same as
source. For example, the source for a LyX document is not
transparent.
I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to
violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code
as well as compiled form.
Brian, I'm
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 12:05, Richard Stallman wrote:
That is why I recently asked to hear from Debian developers whether
they are still making up their minds about the matter and whether they
are interested in what I have to say about it. If this is generally
not the case, I will stop
Anthony DeRobertis writes:
I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out
that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a
violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source
code as well as compiled form'. That's what I'd like
Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anthony DeRobertis writes:
I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out
that problem. But that's not what Brian said --- he said that there is a
violation of DFSG 2 since it does not permit 'distribution in source
code as
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue
here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision.
You are arguing that you should have a voice in what Debian does.
I have said nothing of the kind.
On Friday, Sep 19, 2003, at 19:43 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
I, um, think he meant me, given I *did* say there is a violation of
DFSG 2, since binary-only distribution is not permitted.
Ah! Yeah, that must be what I meant...
I'm curious: Considering the GPL prohibits binary-only
On 2003-09-17 20:34:13 +0100 Brian W. Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's good to hear. Of course another related concern is
forward-looking. It
is a terrible waste of scare resources to have Debian create a
DFSG-free
manual every time a GFDL-licensed manual is produced for some new
piece
The GNU Project's motive for using invariant sections is not the issue
here; that's a GNU Project decision, not a Debian decision.
You are arguing that you should have a voice in what Debian does.
I have said nothing of the kind. The Debian developers decide what
Debian does, and
You have mistaken the objection. There is no reason to think it would
be a small fractional increase, especially since little parts of
manuals--single paragraphs even--are useful reusable bits just in the
way that single functions of Lisp are.
The argument for that is that there are many
such manuals and they would be useful to include, and the DFSG can
be interpreted to accept it.
The arguments appear to be:
1) There are many GFDL manuals.
2) The many GFDL manuals would be useful to include.
That's two
I couldn't believe that RMS actually wrote that when I read it.
You shouldn't have believed I actually wrote that, because he
misunderstood what I wrote. He omitted a crucial part of the
argument, so that what remained was absurd; then he went on at length
pointing out just how absurd it
On Thursday 18 September 2003 13:05, Richard Stallman wrote:
I am not interested in beating a dead horse.
You have been for at least a whole week. Please stop that.
Thanks.
Mike
The arguments appear to be:
1) There are many GFDL manuals.
2) The many GFDL manuals would be useful to include.
That's two parts out of the three I mentioned, and the third part is
crucial.
But they are an irrelevant two parts. If Joe Blow writes a license
for his program or
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The argument for that is that there are many
such manuals and they would be useful to include, and the DFSG can
be interpreted to accept it.
The arguments appear to be:
1) There are many GFDL manuals.
2) The many GFDL
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to
violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code
as well as compiled form.
Brian, I'm not sure how that follows. Could you elaborate?
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen
wrote:
Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to
violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source
code as well as compiled form.
Brian, I'm
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday, Sep 18, 2003, at 11:24 US/Eastern, Brian T. Sniffen wrote:
Also, the requirement to distribute a transparent form appears to
violate DFSG 2, since it does not permit distribution in source code
as well as compiled form.
Brian,
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 16:05, Walter Landry wrote:
The definition of transparent is similar to, but not the same as
source. For example, the source for a LyX document is not
transparent.
I understand that; in fact, I was one of the many people who pointed out
that problem. But that's not what
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