Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:58 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: The software was legally distributed to me, and that gives me some entitlements under copyright law. Which ones? Please explain (IANAL, hence I'm not so knowledgeable...). Most copyright laws state

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-21 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: The software was legally distributed to me, and that gives me some entitlements under copyright law. Which ones? Please explain (IANAL, hence I'm not so knowledgeable...). Most copyright laws state that you have certain rights to use the software if you legally

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-21 Thread Carlos Laviola
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:39:56 +0200, Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:00:28 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: Maybe when Christiaan, the current FIGlet maintainer, comes back from vacation and release a new version with the license changes, Which license changes?

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:33:49 -0400 Glenn Maynard wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 11:39:56PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: Still haven't subscribed, but I'm reading the archives periodically. It's mandatory, you know. It's just easier to manage... Huh? Subscribing to debian-legal

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-21 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:55:52 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:39:56 +0200, Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:00:28 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: Maybe when Christiaan, the current FIGlet maintainer, comes back from vacation and release a

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:05:08 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: When accepting the terms of the GPL, I also must give up certain rights about warranties that I normally expect to have. I didn't see that way: I saw the disclaimer of warranty as a declaration(valid even if I don't

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-20 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:00:28 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: Still haven't subscribed, but I'm reading the archives periodically. It's mandatory, you know. It's just easier to manage... I'm in the middle of a lot of stuff -- just gave a talk about Debian at the university's 2nd annual week on

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-20 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 11:39:56PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: Still haven't subscribed, but I'm reading the archives periodically. It's mandatory, you know. It's just easier to manage... Huh? Subscribing to debian-legal isn't mandatory. -- Glenn Maynard

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-19 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:56:54 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: You're right. The license is intended to be a common-law contract. Hence the phrases about assent. So the idea is that the licensee has agreed to everything in the license. Being a common-law-contract is

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-18 Thread Carlos Laviola
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:43:16 +0200, Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S.: No need to Cc: (or To:) me, as I'm a debian-legal subscriber. Instead, I'm Cc:ing Carlos Laviola, since he asked to be Cc:ed (or did you subscribe in the meanwhile, Carlos?) Still haven't subscribed,

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Jurisdiction, Venue and Governing Law. Any action or suit relating to this License may be brought only in the courts of a jurisdiction wherein the Licensor resides or in which Licensor conducts its primary business [...] Is this choice of venue? It

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: Licensor hereby agrees to provide a machine-readable copy of the Source Code of the Original Work along with each copy of the Original Work that Licensor distributes. Licensor reserves the right to satisfy this obligation by placing a machine-readable copy of the

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:00:35 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Francesco Poli wrote: [...] Weird, anyway: Licensor promises to distribute source, but it seems that there is no requirement for the *licensee* to do so... I thought the point of the AFL was that it was effectively

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:21:44 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: I would also like to know if anyone here has a canonical URL for the definitions of the dissident test, the dictator test, etc. http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html See in particular the answer to question number 9... --

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Francesco Poli wrote: On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:00:35 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: I thought the point of the AFL was that it was effectively attribution-only. So you don't have to give anyone source code if you distribute an AFL-licensed binary. Indeed. This license looks like a

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-17 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:56:54 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: OK, but both parties have to agree to exclude it: so this license smells more like a common-law-contract, rather than a unilateral grant. The licensee has to give up the possibility to have the Convention applied, in order to

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-16 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:21:44 -0300 Carlos Laviola wrote: Dear -legal friends, The FIGlet people are considering changing the license of the entire distribution from Artistic to the AFL 2.1. Hi! I really much appreciate your effort in solving the issues with the FIGlet package! :) I've

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-15 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 02:21:44PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: 3) Grant of Source Code License. The term Source Code means the preferred form of the Original Work for making modifications to it and all available documentation describing how to modify the Original Work. Licensor hereby agrees

Re: Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-15 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-10-14 18:21:44 +0100 Carlos Laviola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9) Acceptance and Termination. If You distribute copies of the Original Work or a Derivative Work, You must make a reasonable effort under the circumstances to obtain the express assent of recipients to the terms of this

Academic Free License 2.1 -- free or not?

2004-10-14 Thread Carlos Laviola
Dear -legal friends, The FIGlet people are considering changing the license of the entire distribution from Artistic to the AFL 2.1. I've found some bits of the license rather strange -- too many talk about patents and jurisdictions -- but it might just be me. Here's Robert Millan's (nyu) take