Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 02:27:44PM -0500, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: Basically, as far as I can see, the dissident test is exactly equivalent to saying we don't want to close this ASP loophole thing. I don't think this is true, if you accept the

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-11 Thread Stephen Ryan
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 11:58, Steve Langasek wrote: I find this an acceptable compromise. The GPL already implements something very close to this: if you give someone a copy, they're able to pass it on to a third party who in some cases then has grounds for demanding source from the author.

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-11 Thread David Turner
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 14:51, Stephen Ryan wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 11:58, Steve Langasek wrote: I find this an acceptable compromise. The GPL already implements something very close to this: if you give someone a copy, they're able to pass it on to a third party who in some cases

Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-10 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au writes: This detailed wrangling is really missing the point that I'm interested in, though. Is there a _fundamental_ difficulty with such licenses? Is it users of programs or owners of copies of programs that should have freedom? As far as I can see the

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jeremy Hankins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it users of programs or owners of copies of programs that should have freedom? As far as I can see the answer is clearly users. Currently those two groups are roughly the same, and the second group is *much* easier to draw a line around. So we use

Re: Barriers to an ASP loophole closure (was Re: OSD DFSG - different purposes - constructive suggestion!)

2003-03-10 Thread Nick Phillips
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:25:02PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: [ more good argument snipped] Even if there were *no* legal limitations of any kind on the copying and modification of any software, there would *still* be no way to give that liberty to users, since (when user and