Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
Package: esniper Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.2.3 [Cc:d to debian-legal] Hi, It's not obvious it is legal to distribute this software at all (probably it either is fit for main or unfit for non-free too). I suggest a review on debian-legal, since I'm not well versed in (at least

Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Don Armstrong
severity 420686 normal thanks On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Sami Liedes wrote: 2.2.3 says Packages must be placed in _non-free_ if they are not compliant with the DFSG or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues that make their distribution problematic. (I expected to find something saying

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Sami! You wrote: It's not obvious it is legal to distribute this software at all (probably it either is fit for main or unfit for non-free too). I suggest a review on debian-legal, since I'm not well versed in (at least this area of) law. I found nothing about this in debian-legal

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 08:38:34AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: How can it be illegal to distribute? Ebay User Agreements are not law and Debian is not bound to it. Well, I don't know the law too well, that's why I asked you (and if you feel it's legal, I'm happy about that). But some kind of

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 09:55:15AM +0300, Sami Liedes wrote: I'd say it's rather obvious that there is a contract between the seller and eBay, but that's just my view) is no legal use for this program. Sorry, I meant the bidder and eBay. But now that's not as evident any more, I think.

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 Sami Liedes wrote: Well, I don't know the law too well, that's why I asked you (and if you feel it's legal, I'm happy about that). But some kind of contributory infringement came to my mind, ... I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Sami Liedes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:17:22AM +0100, Dima Barsky wrote: I'm not a lawyer either, but if we start talking about contributory infringement, shouldn't we remove all P2P clients from Debian as well? There is a much stronger case for contributory infringement there.. I'm not convinced.

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Sami Liedes wrote: If (and that's a big if) that argumentation is valid, indeed there is no legal use for the software, and I think that probably would weigh quite a bit in court. Though I admit I don't even know if there's such a thing as contributory infringement of a contract, it sounds

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Dima Barsky
Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: Considering the number of sniping software packages out there eBay doesn't seem to be very interested in pursuing these packages. Indeed, they could've stopped sniping quite easily, if they wanted to. Although I'm not sure if it could be considered a valid legal

Re: Bug#420686: It's not obvious esniper is legal (violation of eBay ToS)

2007-04-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello *, Am 2007-04-24 08:38:34, schrieb Bas Zoetekouw: How can it be illegal to distribute? Ebay User Agreements are not law and Debian is not bound to it. You can get the specification of the eBay-API from the Website for free and can create FREELY a lib which allo you to access the eBay