Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-31 Thread Akim Demaille
exception was added by the Free Software Foundation in | version 2.2 of Bison. Is this compatible with CDDL-1? If you fall into case one (you just use Bison the regular way), yes it is (IANAL, but that was a design goal when the exception was designed: Bison's output _can_ be used

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-31 Thread Martin Steigerwald
, which will cause the skeleton and the resulting | Bison output files to be licensed under the GNU General Public | License without this special exception. | . | This special exception was added by the Free Software Foundation in | version 2.2 of Bison. Is this compatible with CDDL-1

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Steigerwald
| Bison output files to be licensed under the GNU General Public | License without this special exception. | . | This special exception was added by the Free Software Foundation in | version 2.2 of Bison. Is this compatible with CDDL-1? If you fall into case one (you just use Bison

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-04 Thread Akim Demaille
by the Free Software Foundation in | version 2.2 of Bison. Is this compatible with CDDL-1? If you fall into case one (you just use Bison the regular way), yes it is (IANAL, but that was a design goal when the exception was designed: Bison's output _can_ be used to produce proprietary software

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-03 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 schrieb Mark Weyer: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:45:06PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 7. Mai 2012 schrieb Mark Weyer: Just a quick note: If you are right about the incompatibility of CDDL-1 and GPLv3 (others on this list will know if you

Fwd: Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-07-03 Thread Martin Steigerwald
the skeleton and the resulting | Bison output files to be licensed under the GNU General Public | License without this special exception. | . | This special exception was added by the Free Software Foundation in | version 2.2 of Bison. Is this compatible with CDDL-1? As far as I understand CDDL-1 and GPL

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-06-02 Thread Mark Weyer
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:45:06PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 7. Mai 2012 schrieb Mark Weyer: Just a quick note: If you are right about the incompatibility of CDDL-1 and GPLv3 (others on this list will know if you are), then the combined work is non-free: Its license terms

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Steigerwald
questions left: 1) Most files use: * CDDL HEADER START * * The contents of this file are subject to the terms of the * Common Development and Distribution License (the License). * You may not use this file except in compliance with the License. * * You can obtain a copy of the license

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-06-01 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Mark! Am Montag, 7. Mai 2012 schrieb Mark Weyer: As far as I understand CDDL-1 and GPL are not compatible, but when I read this special exception correctly, in the case that no new parser generator is done any terms, any license can be used for the resulting work. Just a quick note

filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-05-07 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi! Alex and I almost finished packaging filebench: VCS is at: Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/collab-maint/filebench.git Vcs-Browser: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/filebench.git;a=summary There is some licensing questions left: 1) Most files use: * CDDL HEADER START

filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-05-07 Thread Martin Steigerwald
use: * CDDL HEADER START * * The contents of this file are subject to the terms of the * Common Development and Distribution License (the License). * You may not use this file except in compliance with the License. * * You can obtain a copy of the license at usr/src/OPENSOLARIS.LICENSE

Re: filebench: bison generated parser + CDDL

2012-05-07 Thread Mark Weyer
As far as I understand CDDL-1 and GPL are not compatible, but when I read this special exception correctly, in the case that no new parser generator is done any terms, any license can be used for the resulting work. Just a quick note: If you are right about the incompatibility of CDDL-1

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2011-05-01 Thread Florian Weimer
of the Debian base system, which is a Major Component. libc is normally included in the base system. It is a required part of the base system. So case (a) does not apply. I would agree that the language in draft 2 of GPL version 3 would have covered a CDDL libc. But that language was deemed

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:42:07 +0200 Josselin Mouette wrote: [...] The constraints for a CDDL’ed OS are the same as for a proprietary one. This looks correct to me, since I am personally convinced that CDDL'ed works fail to comply with the DFSG and are therefore non-free... My detailed analysis

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-23 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Florian Weimer said: * Don Armstrong: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK I think the FSF wants us not to be able to use the System Library exception. It is only intended for proprietary operating systems. Does no one else see a

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 20:42 +0100, Stephen Gran a écrit : This one time, at band camp, Florian Weimer said: * Don Armstrong: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK I think the FSF wants us not to be able to use the System Library exception. It is only

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-23 Thread Don Armstrong
running a GPLed work on a system which is GPL-incompatible. The FSF also unconditionally labels the CDDL als GPL-incompatible (although it is not clear if the license overview was thoroughly updated for GPL version 3). They're referring to the common case where the System Library exception

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Don Armstrong: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK I think the FSF wants us not to be able to use the System Library exception. It is only intended for proprietary operating systems. The FSF also unconditionally labels the CDDL als GPL-incompatible (although

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Anil Gulecha a...@nexenta.org wrote: * I would like to understand further the rational behind using the distribution of libraries boundary at Debian project level, rather than at a package/binary level, which seems a more natural fit for delineation. Simply

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-03 Thread Anil Gulecha
Also, what would be the upstream of a possible Debian OpenSolaris based port? I read that Oracle is closing down OpenSolaris and moving development behind closed doors. Illumos will be the upstream. Illumos project started out as a branch of OpenSolaris code, but is now effectively a fork of

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
Anil Gulecha a...@nexenta.org writes: Illumos will be the upstream. Illumos project started out as a branch of OpenSolaris code, but is now effectively a fork of OpenSolaris codebase. I don't understand the distinction being made there. What is different between “a branch of the code” versus

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-03 Thread Anil Gulecha
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Ben Finney ben+deb...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Anil Gulecha a...@nexenta.org writes: Illumos will be the upstream. Illumos project started out as a branch of OpenSolaris code, but is now effectively a fork of OpenSolaris codebase. I don't understand the

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-03 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Sep 03 14:04, Paul Wise wrote: BTW, whatever happened to Debian GNU/kOpenSolaris? http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~dtbartle/opensolaris/ How would the licence interactions work here, with a CDDL kernel and a GPL libc/userland? Does the fact that it's specifically the kernel satisfy

CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-02 Thread Don Armstrong
this by everyone. The quick ruberic is the following: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv2 work: Probably Not OK * and GPLv2+ work + CDDL work (non-System Library): Not OK More lengthly explanation: The real question for GPLed works

Re: CDDL/GPL and Nexenta (with CDDL libc)

2010-09-02 Thread Anil Gulecha
. To make sure I haven't lept off the edge; I just wanted to run this by everyone. The quick ruberic is the following: CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv3+ work: OK CDDL'ed libc (and other System Library) and GPLv2 work: Probably Not OK * and GPLv2+ work + CDDL work (non-System

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-17 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 16 novembre 2007 ? 16:23 +0100, Joerg Schilling a ?crit : If you talk to lawyers and ask them about the GPL, they will tell you that the GPL is a contract offer that needs to be explicitely acepted by the licensee. This is of course completely wrong.

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-17 Thread Ben Finney
Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Josselin Mouette wrote: This is of course completely wrong. Unless you accept the terms of the GPL, the author's rights apply by default, so you don't have the right to use, distribute or modify the software. Which doesn't change the fact that

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread John Halton
On 16/11/2007, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, sort of vexed. But have you ever noticed GPL is a license not a contract folks citing ANY authority to back that legal nonsense claim? Consider: [lots and lots of case citations] It may or may not be correct, but I don't see

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
John Halton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/11/2007, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, sort of vexed. But have you ever noticed GPL is a license not a contract folks citing ANY authority to back that legal nonsense claim? Consider: [lots and lots of case citations] It

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Jeff Licquia
Joerg Schilling wrote: Anyway, in Europe you cannot agree on a contract that you do not yet know and for this reason, a text like GPLv2 or any later is void. Why? Assuming the rest of your characterizations for the sake of argument, two contracts currently exist which meet those criteria.

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-16 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 16 novembre 2007 à 16:23 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : If you talk to lawyers and ask them about the GPL, they will tell you that the GPL is a contract offer that needs to be explicitely acepted by the licensee. This is of course completely wrong. Unless you accept the terms of

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread John Halton
set out in (a) to (c) above. CarMetal uses colorchooser https://colorchooser.dev.java.net/ wich is CDDL licensed. If colorchooser has been developed independently from CaRMetal, and only CaRMetal calls colorchooser, it is indeed similar to what happens with mkisofs and the license mix you

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
://colorchooser.dev.java.net/ wich is CDDL licensed. If colorchooser has been developed independently from CaRMetal, and only CaRMetal calls colorchooser, it is indeed similar to what happens with mkisofs and the license mix you describe is legal too. As set out above, the question

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeudi 15 novembre 2007 à 17:04 +0100, Joerg Schilling a écrit : CarMetal uses colorchooser https://colorchooser.dev.java.net/ wich is CDDL licensed. If colorchooser has been developed independently from CaRMetal, and only CaRMetal calls colorchooser, it is indeed similar to what happens

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread John Halton
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 09:09:04PM +0100, Alexander Terekhov wrote: I think that being a lawyer you will agree that existing version or later is *at most* a permission given by the original licensor to direct licensees (i.e. parties entering version two contract) to SUBLICENSE (licensees can

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:15:25 + John Halton wrote: On 15/11/2007, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [usual unbacked assertions and handwaving by Mr. Schilling...] It is possible the licence uses the version two or later version of the GPL, which would allow the software to be

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. The case is in CarMetal (geometrical program derived from the wondeful CaR from René Grothman) http://db-maths.nuxit.net/CaRMetal/ You first need to be very carefull

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-14 Thread John Halton
On 13/11/2007, Ben Finney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yves Combe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. To understand whether there's a license conflict, there needs

Re: Java, GPL and CDDL

2007-11-13 Thread Ben Finney
Yves Combe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am wondering if Java GPLed application can link with CDDL classes? Case looks like the cdrecord question i saw in the archive. To understand whether there's a license conflict, there needs to be an understanding of whether copyright is invoked by linking

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread MJ Ray
\Anthony W. Youngman\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] And what happens if you DON'T have a place in common where you trade? [...] I don't know and it sounds like a common case in this global software distribution game. I just tried to add a trackback to this thread from the previously-cited article and was

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread Tom Marble
MJ Ray wrote: I just tried to add a trackback to this thread from the previously-cited article and was told 'ERROR: Comments and Trackbacks are disabled for the entry you specified.' Clearly comments are enabled, as a comment appears on that page. I'll try a cc on this mail, but I feel Sun

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-05 Thread MJ Ray
Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon's blog entry is from a while ago, so yes the comments are closed. Radical interface design idea: why not remove the links instead of letting people waste time sending to an error-bouncer? But you can comment here, send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and/or

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-04 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed allow me to appeal to everyone to reconsider CDDL *as is* given the clarification that Simon has provided in this regard [1]. In essence, this is the same claim we have heard before

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread Loïc Minier
Hi, On Sat, Dec 02, 2006, Tom Marble wrote: Once the the full JVM is available under GPL then running applications on top of it *are* compatible with any license as this was the specific rationale for adding the Classpath exception [1]. I think it can even go in contrib if it ends up

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread MJ Ray
Tom Marble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed allow me to appeal to everyone to reconsider CDDL *as is* given the clarification that Simon has provided in this regard [1]. In essence, this is the same claim we have heard before: If, however, you are an individual, or a company that trades

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-03 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006 21:01:08 + (UTC) Mark Wielaard wrote: The FAQ even says: Q: How does this announcement affect Java EE? A: Sun's implementation of Java EE 5 has been available as open-source under the CDDL license through the GlassFish Community since June of 2005. In order to gain

Re: CDDL

2006-12-02 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. There is no consensus that choice of venue clauses are not DSFG-compliant, anyway

NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Tom Marble
Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. There is no consensus that choice of venue clauses

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Jérôme Marant
Le samedi 02 décembre 2006 18:18, Tom Marble a écrit : Marco d'Itri wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Mark Wielaard
, therefore, is we would like to package all dependent parts which are recognized as DFSG compliant for main (CDDL, GPL packages) and prepare a NetBeans package under CDDL which depends (initially) on the non-free Sun Java runtime [3] such that upon the full liberation of Sun Java that NetBeans

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 02 décembre 2006 à 11:18 -0600, Tom Marble a écrit : Why is this important? Because Sun has several software projects that are licensed under CDDL that we would really, really like accepted into Debian. The key example is our NetBeans IDE. The purpose of packaging NetBeans

Re: NetBeans ITP [was Re: CDDL]

2006-12-02 Thread Tom Marble
if running over a GPL JVM, as the CDDL and the GPL are incompatible. The interim solution is depending on the DLJ JVM (non-free) which would mean that during that period NetBeans, also, would need to be in non-free. Once the the full JVM is available under GPL then running applications on top

CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Hi, I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. Does anybody know if is it still a work in progress? Does anyone have contacts with Sun people about

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread Mike Hommey
On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 12:03:46PM +0100, Jérôme Marant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. Does anybody know

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. Does anybody know if is it still a work in progress? Does anyone have contacts with Sun people about the issue? Note that even if that happens, that won't change the licensing terms for the software already released under current CDDL. Unless

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread Mike Hommey
weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. Does anybody know if is it still a work in progress? Does anyone have contacts with Sun people about the issue? Note that even if that happens

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Unless they upgrade the license of such software, I guess? Which would be relicensing and requires agreement from all contributors, as any other relicensing. Exactly. But it should not be a problem for Sun products I'm thinking about. Thanks. -- Jérôme Marant -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread MJ Ray
=?iso-8859-15?q?J=E9r=F4me_Marant?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] I watched Sun's Simon Phipps' talk at debconf 2006 few weeks ago. It was mentioned that the choice of venue was useless and would be removed from CDDL, thus making CDDL DSFG-compliant. CDDL also discriminates against agents acting on behalf

Re: CDDL

2006-12-01 Thread MJ Ray
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that even if that happens, that won't change the licensing terms for the software already released under current CDDL. It will, unless the Initial Developer says not: 4.2. Effect of New Versions. You may always continue to use, distribute or otherwise

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The venue could make significant difference here, because the licensor could be terribly wrong in one jurisdiction and correct in another. That's a problem with choice of law, not choice of venue. Furthermore you can hadly measure whether the licensor

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
Cc'ing because I forgot to look and mdpoole cc'd. Please do not cc me on replies to debian-legal. Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any document that describes why debian considers CDDL[1] to not be DFSG compliant (if that statement still holds true)? There is no single document

Re: Debian and CDDL and DFSG

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
debian considers CDDL[1] to not be DFSG compliant (if that statement still holds true)? If there is no such document, could I get CDDL licensed software to main? Should I ask first debian-legal? what would be the answer? I don't think there is official statement too, but you can see some concerns

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
Hi all, MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 11:56,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could find only a lot of FUD and inconsistencies on various blogs wrt/ choice of venue paragraph present in CDDL. Different people have different opinions. That should not surprise anyone. We are not a group

Re: Debian and CDDL and DFSG

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
Hi Goeorge, George Danchev wrote On 2006-08-09 12:11,: Ok, I have some questions for you, seems like you should be able to give an authoritative answer (this does not make CDDL 1.0 non-free, of course): I will try, my answer is not authoritative, but based on what I read and how I

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread MJ Ray
-handed as many other vital parts of the project. [...] I do understand it in this way: - c-o-v as required by paragraph 9. of CDDL is a note attached to the license itself, to my understanding you can put there any jurisdiction you want (you as the author or contributor), and yes, it's

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 15:23,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do understand it in this way: - c-o-v as required by paragraph 9. of CDDL is a note attached to the license itself, to my understanding you can put there any jurisdiction you want (you as the author or contributor

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
of CDDL, and because I could not believe his statement, I'm trying myself to get the information clarified (FYI: debian stable of course ships latest available stable cdrtools) The problem is the obscure mix of GPL and CDDL licensed code (hence my previous question to what degree

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Man
refuses to upgrade to a newer version of his sources because of CDDL, and because I could not believe his statement, I'm trying myself to get the information clarified (FYI: debian stable of course ships latest available stable cdrtools) The problem is the obscure mix of GPL and CDDL licensed code

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Martin Man writes: Hi all, MJ Ray wrote On 2006-08-09 11:56,: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could find only a lot of FUD and inconsistencies on various blogs wrt/ choice of venue paragraph present in CDDL. Different people have different opinions. That should not surprise anyone

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor trying to get some advantage, such as being able to use

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 18:49, Matthew Garrett wrote: Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An evil author (as copyright holder) despite his limited resources could cause lots of damage to a large company which has never violated his copyrights. This is even more scary. Someone of sufficient evilness can do that whether they're acting

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: George Danchev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An evil author (as copyright holder) despite his limited resources could cause lots of damage to a large company which has never violated his copyrights. This is even more scary. Someone of sufficient evilness can do that

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody can or will *stop* someone else from lying. But the liar can face penalties from the legal system: sanctions; liability for malicious prosecution and/or perjury; for the lawyer, potential disbarment. These go away if the license explicitly

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Michael Poole
Matthew Garrett writes: Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody can or will *stop* someone else from lying. But the liar can face penalties from the legal system: sanctions; liability for malicious prosecution and/or perjury; for the lawyer, potential disbarment. These go away if

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006, Matthew Garrett wrote: Marcel Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand why you need choice of venue. Unless we know how that venue treats absent defendants, any ambiguous terms in the licence and some other things, it looks rather like a licensor trying to

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-09 Thread George Danchev
invariant sections which Debian considers non-free. And yes, I don't think that CDDL license creators are evil and made that on purpose, instead I believe that they've made an unwitting mistake which will probably be corrected in the next version of the license, or at least I hope so

[Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-08 Thread Martin Man
that describes why debian considers CDDL[1] to not be DFSG compliant (if that statement still holds true)? If there is no such document, could I get CDDL licensed software to main? Should I ask first debian-legal? what would be the answer? I could find only a lot of FUD and inconsistencies on various

Re: [Fwd: Debian and CDDL and DFSG]

2006-08-08 Thread Michael Poole
Martin Man writes: Forwarding once again my email, since it seems it has not gone through to the list for the first time. From: Martin Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Debian and CDDL and DFSG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnusol-users@gnusolaris.org Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:02:49 +0200 Hi all

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-24 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:28:37 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:52 +0100 Eduard Bloch wrote: Don't count much on dvdrtools, it has no active upstream at all (no, I don't mean the guys whoes only heroic act was the replacement

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-23 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:52 +0100 Eduard Bloch wrote: #include hallo.h * Francesco Poli [Tue, Mar 21 2006, 12:18:37AM]: [...] I used to hope that ignoring upstream insane statements doesn't include ignoring DFSG-freeness issues with the package, though!! :-( Relax. Let's expect an

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-23 Thread Måns Rullgård
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:52 +0100 Eduard Bloch wrote: Don't count much on dvdrtools, it has no active upstream at all (no, I don't mean the guys whoes only heroic act was the replacement of the Schilly build system with autodev-stuff). That's a

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-21 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Francesco Poli [Tue, Mar 21 2006, 12:18:37AM]: D-L v. JS, now that's a flame war I'd like to see ;-) Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains invariant sections (those obnoxious warnings about using device names), so it's certainly

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-20 Thread Francesco Poli
with cdrtools' build system. Summary: a while ago, Joerg Schilling (upstream) replaced the copyright headers in the files of his build system inside of the cdrtools package with references to a CDDL license context. D-L v. JS, now that's a flame war I'd like to see ;-) Flaming aside

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-20 Thread Måns Rullgård
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:21:08 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:05:53 + Måns Rullgård wrote: Just use dvdrtools instead. ITYM dvd+rw-tools, That's what I use for burning DVDs.

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Måns Rullgård [Sun, Mar 19 2006, 01:50:24AM]: Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These are the bits I'm referring to, from cdrecorc.c (sorry for the long lines, but that's how it's written): ---BEGIN QUOTE--- /* * Begin restricted code for quality

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: #include hallo.h * Måns Rullgård [Sun, Mar 19 2006, 01:50:24AM]: Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These are the bits I'm referring to, from cdrecorc.c (sorry for the long lines, but that's how it's written): ---BEGIN QUOTE--- /* *

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Mns Rullgrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060319 01:14]: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not just linking; it's the creation of a derivative work of a GPLed work. Frankly, I don't see how you can argue that cdrecord is not a derivative work of the GPLed part of cdrecord and the build system.

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
Bernhard R. Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Mns Rullgrd [EMAIL PROTECTED] [060319 01:14]: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not just linking; it's the creation of a derivative work of a GPLed work. Frankly, I don't see how you can argue that cdrecord is not a derivative work of the

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Eduard Bloch wrote: ---BEGIN QUOTE--- c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run, you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an appropriate copyright

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Måns Rullgård wrote: Incidentally, this is what the dvdrtools folks have already done. Ummm, come to think of it, why is dvdrtools in non-free while cdrecord is in main? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Anthony DeRobertis [Sun, Mar 19 2006, 11:42:58AM]: Måns Rullgård wrote: Incidentally, this is what the dvdrtools folks have already done. Ummm, come to think of it, why is dvdrtools in non-free while cdrecord is in main? I am waiting for the answer of its maintainer.

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 13:12:25 + Måns Rullgård wrote: And since it does print such an announcement by default then it should be kept. However, I disagree on the level appropriateness - stuff like This is a broken Linux system does not belong to the disclaimer/copyright category. It

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Francesco Poli
in the files of his build system inside of the cdrtools package with references to a CDDL license context. D-L v. JS, now that's a flame war I'd like to see ;-) Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains invariant sections (those obnoxious warnings about using

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-19 Thread Måns Rullgård
(upstream) replaced the copyright headers in the files of his build system inside of the cdrtools package with references to a CDDL license context. D-L v. JS, now that's a flame war I'd like to see ;-) Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains invariant sections

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 3/18/06, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Now the question: how GPL-compatible should we consider this CDDL-like license? And what's the scale and gradations for GPL-compatibility in your brainwashed (linking triggers GPL-incompatibility) mind? I just wonder. hahaha regards

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Måns Rullgård
with references to a CDDL license context. D-L v. JS, now that's a flame war I'd like to see ;-) Flaming aside, this is a non-issue. The source for cdrecord contains invariant sections (those obnoxious warnings about using device names), so it's certainly not DFSG-free. Just use dvdrtools instead

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Alexander Terekhov [Sat, Mar 18 2006, 10:44:54PM]: On 3/18/06, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Now the question: how GPL-compatible should we consider this CDDL-like license? And what's the scale and gradations for GPL-compatibility in your brainwashed

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Walter Landry
Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now the question: how GPL-compatible should we consider this CDDL-like license? See http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html for details. The CDDL and GPL are incompatible. We have the option of splitting the source package into code (GPLed

Re: cdrtools - GPL code with CDDL build system

2006-03-18 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006, Eduard Bloch wrote: Summary: a while ago, Joerg Schilling (upstream) replaced the copyright headers in the files of his build system inside of the cdrtools package with references to a CDDL license context. Can we just fork from a version of the build system which did

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