Re: easier answer for changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-07 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:59:13PM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: Please don't forget the original question: what minimal work must someone do to get an upstream to relicense a work. Yes, and the original answer: get a digitally signed email and don't show it to anyone. We're now discussing why that

Re: easier answer for changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-07 Thread Mathieu Roy
Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:59:13PM -0700, Mark Rafn wrote: Please don't forget the original question: what minimal work must someone do to get an upstream to relicense a work. Yes, and the original answer: get a digitally signed email and

Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Klaus Reimer
Hello, Let's assume that there is a 10 year old software wich is available in source form on various places on the internet but it has no maintainer and no home on the internet and the software has a nonfree license. Let's assume I found the original author and convinced him in changing the

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Mathieu Roy
Klaus Reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Hello, Let's assume that there is a 10 year old software wich is available in source form on various places on the internet but it has no maintainer and no home on the internet and the software has a nonfree license. Let's assume I found the

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But to avoid any delicate issue in the future, if I were you, if would ask him to confirm with a gpg signed email the license change (just an email is something easy to fake). Getting him to sign the e-mail with his own key won't help much in the case of him

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Mathieu Roy
Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But to avoid any delicate issue in the future, if I were you, if would ask him to confirm with a gpg signed email the license change (just an email is something easy to fake). Getting him to sign the

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 13:49, Mathieu Roy wrote: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In some countries, it's accepted as a valid proof of the origin of the email. A signature made with a secret key that was published on Usenet can

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread M. Drew Streib
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 01:11:45PM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: can fake the e-mail. A better solution is to do everything in public so that there are lots of witnesses. If not in public, at least with cc's to debian-legal. There are more than enough witnesses here. -drew -- M. Drew

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A signature made with a secret key that was published on Usenet can hardly be a valid proof of anything. In some countries like in France it's truly accepted in court like a valid proof, you just have to follow some rules. I don't think the

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 18:56, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A signature made with a secret key that was published on Usenet can hardly be a valid proof of anything. In some countries like in France it's truly accepted in court like a valid

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As far as know, almost anything is acceptable in a UK court as valid proof, apart from a few stupid exceptions, such as hearsay. Not true, the UK has a set of rules as to what constitutes sufficient authority to be bound by the contents of a

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-09-06, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not true, the UK has a set of rules as to what constitutes sufficient authority to be bound by the contents of a document. The Electronic Communications Act 2000 extended these to include

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Arnoud Galactus Engelfriet
Scott James Remnant wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 13:49, Mathieu Roy wrote: Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapot?? : A signature made with a secret key that was published on Usenet can hardly be a valid proof of anything. In some countries like in France it's truly accepted

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 08:54:37PM +0100, Scott James Remnant wrote: Electronic Communications Act 2000 7. - (1) In any legal proceedings- (a) an electronic signature incorporated into or logically associated with a particular electronic communication or

Re: Changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Scott James Remnant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Electronic Communications Act 2000 7. - (1) In any legal proceedings- (a) an electronic signature incorporated into or logically associated with a particular electronic communication or particular electronic data, and

easier answer for changing a license of a unmaintained software

2003-09-06 Thread Mark Rafn
Electronic Communications Act 2000 ... shall each be admissible in evidence in relation to any question as to the authenticity of the communication or data or as to the integrity of the communication or data. On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Richard Braakman wrote: admissible in evidence is not very