Ghengis Khan (was Re: Debian and copyrights)

2003-07-12 Thread Nathanael Nerode
about anyone, and Dhingis Kahn (The mogolian leader, don't know how he is spelled in English). Ganges Kahn, I believe. Don't have Google in front of me to check. OK, let's clear this up right now. The standard spelling in English is Ghengis Khan. Occasionally you will see the supposedly more

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-10 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Thursday, Jul 3, 2003, at 12:58 US/Eastern, Joachim Breitner wrote: I remember reading somewhere that you can give the copyright to just about anyone, and Dhingis Kahn (The mogolian leader, don't know how he is spelled in English). Ganges Kahn, I believe. Don't have Google in front of me

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, Jun 30, 2003, at 11:19 US/Eastern, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: the chances of all the copyright holders in the Linux kernel agreeing to a non-free release of Linux are probably lower than the chances of the FSF agreeing to a non-free release of the GNU tools. And far lower than

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-03 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Mon, 2003-06-30 um 12.30 schrieb Baptiste SIMON: If you are author of a part of the code, you can oppose forever to its publication as proprietary. right... that's the last solution... but we would prefer having only one copyright, to have a harmonized source code. I know that it

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-03 Thread Baptiste SIMON
then just assign it so someone that is no longer alife (this way you can state your world view, if you choose Ghandi, Marx, Charlemagne, Einstein, Neumann or others). They surely won't change your licence... (well, one would have to check for possible Heirs) That's a little bit funny !! :c)

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-03 Thread David Schleef
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 06:58:49PM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: I remember reading somewhere that you can give the copyright to just about anyone, and Dhingis Kahn (The mogolian leader, don't know how he is spelled in English). And if you really want to prevent any licence change, then

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-01 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the author had accepted patches from others to version 1, he would be stuck with keeping later versions under the GPL unless he got a licence change OK'd by each of the contributors, or removed the contributed code. However, check the licence on the

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-01 Thread Martin Schröder
On 2003-06-30 11:44:06 +0200, Baptiste SIMON wrote: we are in this situation... and I want to prevent changin license by holder of the copyright. So I'm looking for a solution, giving the copyright to something, under some terms, etc... Is there any solution ? AFAIK No. Under european law

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-07-01 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If the author had accepted patches from others to version 1, he would be stuck with keeping later versions under the GPL unless he got a licence change OK'd by each of the contributors, or removed the

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Baptiste SIMON [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, anyone which is releasing his software under something like GPL or LGPL is able, if he is still holding the code copyright, to release a next release under any other license. I'd like to prevent this kind of problem without giving copyright

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Baptiste SIMON
1) The copyright holder(s) make(s) a decision to change the licence, and future versions of the software are released under the terms of the new licence; we are in this situation... and I want to prevent changin license by holder of the copyright. So I'm looking for a solution, giving the

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Mathieu Roy
Baptiste SIMON [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Hi people, I'd like to know how debian has relsolved the copyright question. In fact, anyone which is releasing his software under something like GPL or LGPL is able, if he is still holding the code copyright, to release a next release under any

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Baptiste SIMON
If you are author of a part of the code, you can oppose forever to its publication as proprietary. right... that's the last solution... but we would prefer having only one copyright, to have a harmonized source code. I know that it is possible giving the (c) to the FSF... but I've heard about

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003, Baptiste SIMON wrote: I'd like to know how debian has relsolved the copyright question. In fact, anyone which is releasing his software under something like GPL or LGPL is able, if he is still holding the code copyright, to release a next release under any other license.

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Baptiste SIMON
The question was more : I want to find a solution for a project to prevent a license changement. I would like to have a solution wich would guarantee this project to stay under GPL (without giving the copyright to FSF). This is not for an inclusion in the debian distro, but just take a look into

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2. You're the author and want to prevent *yourself* from switching to a non-free license in the future. Hmm? The best way would be to decide not to do it, and then have the strength of character to stick to your decision. However, you might be

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Baptiste SIMON
It is difficult to see what you feel is a problem here? 1. You're a user and you want to avoid the risk that the author (...) 2. You're the author and want to prevent *yourself* from switching to (...) 3. You're one of several authors and want to prevent the others from taking the

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Baptiste SIMON [EMAIL PROTECTED]: we are in this situation... and I want to prevent changin license by holder of the copyright. So I'm looking for a solution, giving the copyright to something, under some terms, etc... Is there any solution ? If you want advice about setting up a trust,

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, Jun 30, 2003, at 11:00 US/Eastern, Henning Makholm wrote: I dimly remember that there may be jurisdictions (America?) where any of several joint authors can authorize copying if only he splits the profits fairly with other authors. Yep. In the US, it's called a joint

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sunday, Jun 29, 2003, at 07:17 US/Eastern, Baptiste SIMON wrote: Hi people, I'd like to know how debian has relsolved the copyright question. In fact, anyone which is releasing his software under something like GPL or LGPL is able, if he is still holding the code copyright, to release a

Re: Debian and copyrights

2003-06-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 11:44:06AM +0200, Baptiste SIMON wrote: 1) The copyright holder(s) make(s) a decision to change the licence, and future versions of the software are released under the terms of the new licence; we are in this situation... and I want to prevent changin license by

Debian and copyrights

2003-06-29 Thread Baptiste SIMON
Hi people, I'd like to know how debian has relsolved the copyright question. In fact, anyone which is releasing his software under something like GPL or LGPL is able, if he is still holding the code copyright, to release a next release under any other license. I'd like to prevent this kind of