Re: [OT] Re: Please fix broken MUAs, was: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2007-01-02 Thread MJ Ray
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 03:53:25PM +, MJ Ray wrote: That's probably because Mail-Followup-To is not the solution. you're a bit tiredsome with that. List-Post does not helps you to specify that you want to be set as a Cc: or not when someones

[OT] Re: Please fix broken MUAs, was: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-30 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 03:53:25PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, sorry about that; I try to remember to use list-reply instead of group-reply on Debian MLs, but I often forget. This matter would be so much simpler if everyone's MUA would support and

Re: [OT] Re: Please fix broken MUAs, was: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:25:08 +0100 Pierre Habouzit wrote: the usual rule on lists I'm on, is that when M-F-T is set, it's what should be used. Though, when none is set, you should assume the guy who you are answering to is not subscribed, and politeness ask you to set the Cc: This does

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-29 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 11:08:26PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: P.S.: Please do not reply to me and the list, as I didn't ask to be copied. Yeah, sorry about that; I try to remember to use list-reply instead of group-reply on Debian MLs, but I often forget. This matter would be so much simpler

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-29 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 12:06:04 +0100 Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Sat, Dec 23, 2006 at 11:08:26PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: P.S.: Please do not reply to me and the list, as I didn't ask to be copied. Yeah, sorry about that; Don't worry. I try to remember to use list-reply instead

Please fix broken MUAs, was: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-29 Thread MJ Ray
Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, sorry about that; I try to remember to use list-reply instead of group-reply on Debian MLs, but I often forget. This matter would be so much simpler if everyone's MUA would support and set Mail-Followup-To. Alas, this seems not to be happening

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-23 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 05:36:05PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: GNU Free Documentation License Discussion Draft 1 of Version 2, 25 September 2006 A Transparent copy of the Work means a machine-readable copy, represented in a format whose specification is available to the general public,

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-23 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:43:40 +0100 Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 05:36:05PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: [...] Improvable: still suboptimal definition of Transparent copy The definition of Transparent copy is improved with respect to GFDL 1.2, but it's still

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-18 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for showing my point. I'm glad that I showed the point of Marco d'Itri: that he will post much nonsense, from misattributed quotes, to accusations that people joining debian-legal in 2003 introduced interpretations of the DFSG which had apparently

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-16 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 11:33:53 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:35 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: I recommend the more precise: Allows redistribution under non-free terms I agree that this is more precise, but a tagline should be

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't write that, fraudster. Thank you for showing my point. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:35 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:22:22 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. OK, I'm going to use

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-15 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:42:05 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:22:22 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. OK, I'm going to use that tagline

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-15 Thread Ben Finney
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:18:35 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: I recommend the more precise: Allows redistribution under non-free terms I agree that this is more precise, but a tagline should be useful to classify reported issues You're referring to

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-14 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:22:22 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. OK, I'm going to use that tagline for my comments (as soon as I submit them to the FSF).

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-13 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. -- MJR/slef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-13 Thread Francesco Poli
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:22:22 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. OK, I'm going to use that tagline for my comments (as soon as I submit them to the FSF). -- But it is also tradition that times

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-13 Thread Ben Finney
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:22:22 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allows non-free derivs ? That's probably accurate too, yes. OK, I'm going to use that tagline for my comments (as soon as I submit them to the

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-12 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] On the other hand, there's no warranty that each pseudonymous contributor uses one pseudonym only: 'BlackStar' and 'RedBlood' could be the same real person. Hence, I don't know how much a pseudonym can help to identify a contributor among other

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-12 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on. This everything is a cost meme is becoming silly. The DFSG was not written with this meaning. Come on! Stop beating your straw men! Nor were they written with the intention to prevent only money demands that hit everyone every time! Really? Can you show some

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-12 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on. This everything is a cost meme is becoming silly. The DFSG was not written with this meaning. I didn't write that, fraudster. Come on! Stop beating your straw men! Nor were they written with the intention to prevent

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 11 décembre 2006 à 15:43 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit : Come on. This everything is a cost meme is becoming silly. The DFSG was not written with this meaning. Your continuous ranting about anything which is said on this list is turning ridiculous. Hint: a bad clause can be DFSG-free.

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-12 Thread Francesco Poli
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 10:38:35 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] [...] So, how come the LGPL is considered a copyleft license? Or even the GFDLv2draft1, for that matter: it includes one or two relicensing clause(s)... This is a very good question and

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-11 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:47:32 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: I don't think it matters. Pseudonymous publication seems possible, but we must watch out for developments on this uncertainty. [...] Hence, I'm not so sure that anonymous publication is

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-11 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on. This everything is a cost meme is becoming silly. The DFSG was not written with this meaning. Come on! Stop beating your straw men! Nor were they written with the intention to prevent only money demands that hit everyone every time! I think it's

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-11 Thread Francesco Poli
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:28:13 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:47:32 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: I don't think it matters. Pseudonymous publication seems possible, but we must watch out for developments on this uncertainty. [...]

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-11 Thread Ben Finney
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html says: Copyleft is a general method for making a program free software and requiring all modified and extended versions of the program to be free software as well. It's telling, and disappointing, that the

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-09 Thread Francesco Poli
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 22:47:32 + (GMT) MJ Ray wrote: Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What follows is my own analysis of the first draft of GNU FDL v2. I welcome any comments on my reasoning. As you might expect from my summary http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/fdl#general I

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-09 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 12/10/06, Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, does a Published by anonymous statement crearly and legibly identify you as the publisher ? I really doubt... Hence, I'm not so sure that anonymous publication is possible. As for pseudonymous publication (which is something different,

GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-08 Thread Francesco Poli
Hi all! What follows is my own analysis of the first draft of GNU FDL v2. I welcome any comments on my reasoning. The full text of the draft is available at http://gplv3.fsf.org/ GNU Free Documentation License Discussion Draft 1 of Version 2, 25 September 2006 THIS IS A DRAFT, NOT A

Re: GFDL v2 draft 1 analysis [long]

2006-12-08 Thread MJ Ray
Francesco Poli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What follows is my own analysis of the first draft of GNU FDL v2. I welcome any comments on my reasoning. As you might expect from my summary http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/fdl#general I agree with most of that reasoning, apart from: [...] Both