Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-10 Thread Richard Stallman
Then, why don't you just create your own distribution based on Debian? Take the official CD set, remove all references to non-free, and distribute it from your server. Problem solved. We thought about that, and we're still thinking about it. In the past, this sort of thing was

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-08 Thread Richard Stallman
... the fact that either you've stopped endorsing Debian, or you've become more vocal about it. I have never endorsed Debian, because ever since it became mature enough to be technically suitable, it had the problem of recommending and including non-free packages. Of course, the other

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-08 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never endorsed Debian, because ever since it became mature enough to be technically suitable, it had the problem of recommending and including non-free packages. Of course, the other alternatives have generally been worse. So I have not

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-08 Thread Thomas Uwe Gruettmueller
Hi RMS, On Montag 08 September 2003 18:09, Richard Stallman wrote: While nominally Debian GNU/Linux does not include the non-free software, the non-free software is distributed from the same server. We cannot recommend one without effectively recommending the other. Further, the distribution

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-06 Thread Richard Stallman
Branden Robinson wonders why I do not address him in my messages. I will not answer him, because I am not on speaking terms with him. However, I will explain this for the sake of others. I am not on speaking terms with him, and I don't think questions like his deserve a response. Typically they

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-06 Thread Roland Mas
Richard Stallman (2003-09-06 13:07:24 -0400) : Branden Robinson wonders why I do not address him in my messages. I will not answer him, because I am not on speaking terms with him. If I may say so, you're not the first one, probably not the only one at present, and if I may venture so far,

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-05 Thread Dylan Thurston
On 2003-09-05, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GNU Project has never endorsed Debian, because ever since we first considered the question, the Debian servers have been distributing and recommending non-free packages. I think this practice is entirely wrong, but I did not try to

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 09:56:46PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Branden Robinson presumes that the GNU Project's decision to stop endorsing Debian must be meant as a form of pressure. Again, I fear you have distorted my statements. I made no preumption on this point; I made a hypothesis that

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-04 Thread Richard Stallman
Branden Robinson presumes that the GNU Project's decision to stop endorsing Debian must be meant as a form of pressure. This is complete confusion, because the GNU Project never stopped endorsing Debian. The GNU Project has never endorsed Debian, because ever since we first considered the

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-03 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:56:58PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: The FSF would like to continue cooperating with Debian in such areas where Debian's and the FSF's policies agree. However, we will not cooperate with people that treat us harshly, no matter what their policies might be. And

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-03 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Tuesday, Sep 2, 2003, at 22:56 US/Eastern, Richard Stallman wrote: Branden is trying to make innocent things look bad; shame on him. Given the interview itself and the note I added later, both my views and the events involving GNU/LinEx are clear enough. So I won't answer his questions

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-03 Thread Scott James Remnant
On Wed, 2003-09-03 at 09:40, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:56:58PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: The FSF would like to continue cooperating with Debian in such areas where Debian's and the FSF's policies agree. However, we will not cooperate with people that treat us

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:56:58PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Branden Robinson wrote: I have seven questions for you based on this episode: Branden is trying to make innocent things look bad; shame on him. This is an assertion without foundation. If you feel there are implicit

Re: GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-02 Thread Richard Stallman
Branden Robinson wrote: I have seven questions for you based on this episode: Branden is trying to make innocent things look bad; shame on him. Given the interview itself and the note I added later, both my views and the events involving GNU/LinEx are clear enough. So I won't answer his

GNU/LinEx, Debian, and the GNU FDL

2003-09-01 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 10:22:33PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: I am the one in the FSF who has made statements about Debian and non-free software, and the statements I have made are true as far as I know. If you think anything I said is not true, please show me the statement and the