Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-09-03 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jeremy Hankins wrote: Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (quoting the Sun RPC license): but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. I

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-09-02 Thread Jeremy Hankins
Jakob Bohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (quoting the Sun RPC license): but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. I interpret that to mean that once the RPC code has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
IANAL, TINLA, IANADD But here is my blow by blow interpretation, which makes glibc DFSG free. On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 03:10:35PM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote:

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-26 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. Got any citations? The license certainly

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-25 Thread Joe Drew
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with ttf-bitstream-vera. IMO, that isn't Free Software, either. There are no practical restrictions on its freedom; I fail to see how

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-25 Thread Joe Drew
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:26, Branden Robinson wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 09:03:13AM -0400, Joe Drew wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 17:03, Branden Robinson wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:39:51AM -0700, Jeff Bailey wrote: We also have essentially the same license with ttf-bitstream-vera. IMO, that isn't Free Software, either. -- G. Branden Robinson| One doesn't have a sense of humor. Debian GNU/Linux | It has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. Got any citations? The license certainly doesn't *read* like MIT/X11, except you may not

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-23 Thread Joe Drew
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 17:28, Branden Robinson wrote: Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the

Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Brian M. Carlson
reopen 181493 ! thanks For the debian-legal people, this is the controversy at hand: Sun RPC code is included as part of glibc. The license, which is included below, prohibits distribution of the original code under its original terms, which would make the license non-free. Including non-free

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media and as a part of the software

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Florian Weimer
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media and as a part

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program

Re: Bug#181493: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Jeff Bailey
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Has anybody asked Sun for a clarification of the license, or tried to obtain the code under a different license? Or maybe the FSF has obtained a suitable license and just forgot to update the copyright notice? Sun has

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 02:05:57PM -0400, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Sun has repeatedly clarified elsewhere that the intent of this is essentially MIT/X11, except you may not distribute this product alone. That cuts out everything but the GPL/LGPL incompatibility problem, which remains a sticking

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:39:47AM +, Brian M. Carlson wrote: Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by

Re: Is the Sun RPC License DFSG-free?

2003-08-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright (C) 1984, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as