Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 14:33, Måns Rullgård wrote: Then read the section Can I use the GPL for a plug-in for a non-free program? in the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLPluginsInNF If there are any other interpretations of that section, please enlighten me. The program is

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 15:26, Måns Rullgård wrote: Is it allowed to use the MIT license for source code of plugins depending on GPL'd libraries? Sure. You can link code under a GPL-compatible license, like MIT X11. Is it in any way allowed to distribute those plugins compiled? Well, if

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 13:02, Brian T. Sniffen wrote: Well, first off, creation of derived works -- even if you never distribute them -- is restricted by copyright as well. That's not Debian's problem, and the GPL gives you permission to, so long as you don't distribute. If I hand you those

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Måns Rullgård
Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it allowed to use the MIT license for source code of plugins depending on GPL'd libraries? Sure. You can link code under a GPL-compatible license, like MIT X11. Good. That's really my main concern. Is it in any way allowed to distribute

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 09:26:24PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: the MIT license. Is it allowed to use the MIT license for source code of plugins depending on GPL'd libraries? Is it in any way allowed to distribute those plugins compiled? Yes, but you'll have all of the restrictions of the

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Måns Rullgård
Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the MIT license. Is it allowed to use the MIT license for source code of plugins depending on GPL'd libraries? Is it in any way allowed to distribute those plugins compiled? Yes, but you'll have all of the restrictions of the GPL. That is, you'll

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Huh? Please, could someone please find the derivative works in the following, in chronological order: 1. I create a program, Anthony's Foo Editor, and add a plugin API. I release my program under the MIT X11 license. 2. Weston Manning (a new

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Måns Rullgård
Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Huh? Please, could someone please find the derivative works in the following, in chronological order: 1. I create a program, Anthony's Foo Editor, and add a plugin API. I release my program under the MIT X11 license. 2. Weston

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 06:59:46PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court could decide either way. The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot together you are

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: The thing is that, in my case, some very good functionality is provided by plugins using GPL'd libraries. I want to make sure I can distribute those plugins, at least as source. For reasons that should be obvious, I'd rather not touch the GPL. The

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-07 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: | And exec as the Magic Copyright Barrier(tm) is silly. Well, sort of. I can see the perverted logic behind it: on most operating systems, a program and its libraries share a common address space. Once you fork/exec something,

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be allowed separately, right? When the user

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Arnoud Engelfriet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be allowed separately, right? When the user runs the program,

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 05:02:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How's that? The GPL allows distribution together with non-GPL works, as long as the non-GPL things are not derived from anything GPL'd. In my opinion, placing two shared objects in the same tar file doesn't make one a derived work of the other.

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:49:45PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How's that? The GPL allows distribution together with non-GPL works, as long as the non-GPL things are not derived from anything GPL'd. In my opinion, placing two shared objects in

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Måns Rullgård) writes: Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This now gets into the hazy realm where it's best not to go - a court could decide either way. The argument is, approximately, that by shipping the whole lot together you are creating a derived work that

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003, Måns Rullgård wrote: If I write a program and release it under some non-GPL licencse, and *later* someone writes a plugin and releases it under the GPL, how can the program possibly become a derived work of that plugin? No, the program itself doesn't, but the work

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Måns Rullgård
Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I write a program and release it under some non-GPL licencse, and *later* someone writes a plugin and releases it under the GPL, how can the program possibly become a derived work of that plugin? No, the program itself doesn't, but the work

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003, Måns Rullgård wrote: Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the program itself doesn't, but the work plugin+program does. The derived work will never be distributed, and is thus permitted by the above paragraph. We're obviously talking about distribution, as the

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-05 Thread Måns Rullgård
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, say I use the X11 license. Now suppose someone installs a closed source plugin. Suppose it also happens that this same user has installed some GPL plugin. Both plugins would be allowed separately, right? When the user runs the program, it will

Re: Plugins, libraries, licenses and Debian

2003-12-05 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:50:50AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am working on a piece of free software that makes extensive use of plugins, i.e. shared objects dynamically loaded at runtime. Many of these plugins are linked with third-party

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