Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 07, 2007 at 09:32:06AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims that its sugar-water is better tasting than is

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-09 Thread MJ Ray
Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): The nature of our disagreement seems to be in our differing assessments of what's going to cause confusion in the minds of the customers. I'd call that progress -- because _all of the prior writings_ from the

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-08 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims that its sugar-water is better tasting than is Coca-Cola. That ought to be a big, fat clue, but far too many people have been successfully conned and don't think about the

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 08:25:30AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: As usual for trademark claims, the complainer greatly overstates the rights actually available to trademark owners[1]. Briefly stated, establishing a valid trademark entitles you to

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Trademark law never requires any such thing. When you are distributing a product which is similar, but not identical, to the product of the trademark holder, using the trademark to

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 11:50:21PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: Perhaps you don't understand that it's our position that Debian and its derivers need to have the freedom to make modifications to the browser without being obligated to either get prior approval from Mozilla Corp. for each

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: Pepsico doesn't ask the Coca-Cola Company's permission to publish claims that its sugar-water is better tasting than is Coca-Cola. That ought to be a big, fat clue, but far too many people have been successfully conned and don't think about the

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Moen
, but already implemented, decision. That's why the Subject header was Trademark scope (just for the record). If I've had no greater effect than to call people's attention to the fundamental error of thinking one must secure a trademark owner's permission to use a brand name or identifying marks

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007, Rick Moen wrote: I was not suggesting that was the case. Read what I _said_, please. I was pointing out one huge clue, from the realm of everyday commerce, that should have alerted Debian users to the fact that, no, it is not true that one must ask a trademark owner's

Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
- Forwarded message from rick - Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:15:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: :-/ Quoting Trent W. Buck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for the full story. Sorry I didn't include that link before, I was lazy. As usual for trademark

Re: Trademark scope (just for the record)

2007-09-06 Thread Steve Langasek
Rick, On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 08:25:30AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 for the full story. Sorry I didn't include that link before, I was lazy. As usual for trademark claims, the complainer greatly overstates the rights actually available to trademark