Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:41:51PM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: I would like to do the same with C99, POSIX, and other standards. I agree. I've whished more than once that I could just do C-h i m posix. And I also agree that those standards should be free. But when is it free? :)

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-06 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:02:15PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: To quote the RFC copyright notice from RFC 2026 Internet Standards Process: Just for the record, I don't think RFC 2026 is technical documentation. It documents a social process, not a technical one. But the same copyright

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 06:19:19PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: When I find a bug in the glibc manual, and read up POSIX to find out what it should be, I have to close my eyes for a minute and try to forget what I just read before writing a bug report. It would be easier to move the

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-05 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:57:40AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:31:58PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: However, I don't see why that should give much problems. You don't want to change to standards anyhow. I would. For example, I would take some of the RFC's,

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-05 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 04:58:10PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: IANAL, I don't know if adding texinfo markup to them is considered making a derivative work or just distributing, you don't change the text itself. Adding texinfo markup just changes how the text is displayed, which is already

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:20:50AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: 1) It's a license text, and we don't reject a package for being non-DFSG free as long as *only* its license text is non-DFSG-free. The license text is only required due to copyright laws that presume that the exercise of the

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1b) Debian makes a moral stand on free software. Not free licenses, or free books, or free tea, or free beer, or free-for-all wrestling, with all their various meanings of free. While some might think free beer is essential to free software, they would be

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 16:45, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1b) Debian makes a moral stand on free software. Not free licenses, or free books, or free tea, or free beer, or free-for-all wrestling, with all their various meanings of free. While some

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 06:12:21PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: If I recall, the original issue was about some RFC documents. I would have thought it was essential that such things, which define the standards we all use, should be protected from unauthorised amendments. Or do you want

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Adam Heath
No, I am an unimpressed with the argument that standards documents must be regarded as sacred, unalterable texts, lest the universe collapse into primeval chaos. Too late. :)

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 04:22:10PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: No, I am an unimpressed with the argument that standards documents must be regarded as sacred, unalterable texts, lest the universe collapse into primeval chaos. However, I don't see why that should give much problems. You don't

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Mark Rafn
However, free documentation *is* essential to free software. On 4 Mar 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: If I recall, the original issue was about some RFC documents. I would have thought it was essential that such things, which define the standards we all use, should be protected from

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:31:58PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: However, I don't see why that should give much problems. You don't want to change to standards anyhow. I would. For example, I would take some of the RFC's, cp from them, add texinfo markup and include bits of them in

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 07:19:30PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 06:12:21PM +, Oliver Elphick wrote: If I recall, the original issue was about some RFC documents. I would have thought it was essential that such things, which define the standards we all use, should

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:19:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: If I recall, the original issue was about some RFC documents. I would have thought it was essential that such things, which define the standards we all use, should be protected from unauthorised amendments. In which

Re: distributable but non-free documents

2002-03-02 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 09:59:30PM +, Adam Olsen wrote: On the subject of distributable but non-free documents like RFCs, I think there's a big one that needs the be pointed out: the GPL. Folks are well aware of this on debian-legal. You might want to check the archives of that list